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Originally posted by galveston75I know I have corrected RC on the following and I suspect that I have corrected you as well. If so, then shame on you for continuing to spread these lies.
Well yes the writers were from a different era of course. But God is not from any era and the Bible makes it very clear that all the Bible is inspired by him.
There is nothing in the Bible that is out of date and when something like slavery was approved by God then, it had it's purpose and this slavery was not like the type most humans who have been sl ...[text shortened]... itual matters that we all need to learn and understand is still the same. Truths never change...
God would never approve of that type where so much cruelity was inflicted on those poor humans.
Exodus 21
20“If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. 21“If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property.
Clearly God permitted slaves to be severely beaten - even to the point of death (so long as the slave doesn't die within "a day or two" ) .
The only slavery God approved was when one was in debt to another. Once that debt was worked off, that person was free to go.
Exodus 21
1“Now these are the ordinances which you are to set before them: 2“If you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years; but on the seventh he shall go out as a free man without payment. 3“If he comes alone, he shall go out alone; if he is the husband of a wife, then his wife shall go out with him. 4“If his master gives him a wife, and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall belong to her master, and he shall go out alone. 5“But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife and my children; I will not go out as a free man,’ 6then his master shall bring him to God, then he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him permanently.
Clearly God also approved of the enslavement of children borne of a slave whose wife was given by the master. Clearly God also approved of slaves who do not want to abandon their wives and children being made permanent slaves.
Leviticus 25
44‘As for your male and female slaves whom you may have—you may acquire male and female slaves from the pagan nations that are around you.45‘Then, too, it is out of the sons of the sojourners who live as aliens among you that you may gain acquisition, and out of their families who are with you, whom they will have produced in your land; they also may become your possession. 46‘You may even bequeath them to your sons after you, to receive as a possession; you can use them as permanent slaves.
Clearly God also approved of slaves that were acquired from pagan nations and other foreigners being made permanent slaves.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOne"If his master gives him a wife, and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall belong to her master, and he shall go out alone."
[b]God would never approve of that type where so much cruelity was inflicted on those poor humans.
I know I have corrected RC on this and I suspect that I have corrected you as well. If so, then shame on you for continuing to spread these lies.
Exodus 21
20“If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall ...[text shortened]... f slaves that were acquired from pagan nations and other foreigners being made permanent slaves.[/b]
This rule could have been instituted to make the owner bear responsibility for such offspring, so he would be more careful about who he lets marry. After all, the male slave can't take them with him since he's going out alone, and the kids are going to either be in the owner's household with mom or -- where?
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Originally posted by JS357Read the surrounding verses again. It's about property rights.
"If his master gives him a wife, and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall belong to her master, and he shall go out alone."
This rule could have been instituted to make the owner bear responsibility for such offspring, so he would be more careful about who he lets marry. After all, the male slave can't take them with him since he ...[text shortened]... ng out alone, and the kids are going to either be in the owner's household with mom or -- where?
Exodus 21
1“Now these are the ordinances which you are to set before them: 2“If you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years; but on the seventh he shall go out as a free man without payment. 3“If he comes alone, he shall go out alone; if he is the husband of a wife, then his wife shall go out with him. 4“If his master gives him a wife, and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall belong to her master, and he shall go out alone. 5“But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife and my children; I will not go out as a free man,’ 6then his master shall bring him to God, then he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him permanently.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI know. It's about rights and responsibilities of the owner. I was pointing out the latter.
Read the surrounding verses again. It's about property rights.
Exodus 21
1“Now these are the ordinances which you are to set before them: 2“If you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years; but on the seventh he shall go out as a free man without payment. [b]3“If he comes alone, he shall go out alone; if he is the husband of a wife, then h ...[text shortened]... orpost. And his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him permanently.[/b]
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Originally posted by JS357A man who entered slavery without a wife was not given the right to take his wife and children with him. If he loved them and didn't want to abandon them, his only option was to be made a permanent slave.
I know. It's about rights and responsibilities of the owner. I was pointing out the latter.
I don't see any reason to read the following into it:
This rule could have been instituted to make the owner bear responsibility for such offspring, so he would be more careful about who he lets marry.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneThen, do you simply acknowledge the wisdom of this general rule?
A man who entered slavery without a wife was not given the right to take his wife and children with him. If he loved them and didn't want to abandon them, his only option was to be made a permanent slave.
I don't see any reason to read the following into it:This rule could have been instituted to make the owner bear responsibility for such offspring, so he would be more careful about who he lets marry.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneWhat lies?
I know I have corrected RC on the following and I suspect that I have corrected you as well. If so, then shame on you for continuing to spread these lies.
[b]God would never approve of that type where so much cruelity was inflicted on those poor humans.
Exodus 21
20“If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his ha ...[text shortened]... f slaves that were acquired from pagan nations and other foreigners being made permanent slaves.[/b]
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Originally posted by galveston75Okay, I'll try to make it as simple as possible. Your statements are in the quote boxes that follow. The passages that follow each of your statements prove that they are not true.
Sorry but don't see any comments for that... Show me please.
God would never approve of that type where so much cruelity was inflicted on those poor humans.
Exodus 21
20“If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. 21“If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property.
Clearly God permitted slaves to be severely beaten - even to the point of death (so long as the slave doesn't die within "a day or two" ) .
The only slavery God approved was when one was in debt to another. Once that debt was worked off, that person was free to go.
Exodus 21
1“Now these are the ordinances which you are to set before them: 2“If you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years; but on the seventh he shall go out as a free man without payment. 3“If he comes alone, he shall go out alone; if he is the husband of a wife, then his wife shall go out with him. 4“If his master gives him a wife, and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall belong to her master, and he shall go out alone. 5“But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife and my children; I will not go out as a free man,’ 6then his master shall bring him to God, then he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him permanently.
Clearly God also approved of the enslavement of children borne of a slave whose wife was given by the master. Clearly God also approved of slaves who do not want to abandon their wives and children being made permanent slaves.
Leviticus 25
44‘As for your male and female slaves whom you may have—you may acquire male and female slaves from the pagan nations that are around you.45‘Then, too, it is out of the sons of the sojourners who live as aliens among you that you may gain acquisition, and out of their families who are with you, whom they will have produced in your land; they also may become your possession. 46‘You may even bequeath them to your sons after you, to receive as a possession; you can use them as permanent slaves.
Clearly God also approved of slaves that were acquired from pagan nations and other foreigners being made permanent slaves.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOnePerhaps this will help:
Okay, I'll try to make it as simple as possible. Your statements are in the quote boxes that follow. The passages that follow each of your statements prove that they are not true.God would never approve of that type where so much cruelity was inflicted on those poor humans.
Exodus 21
20“If a man strikes his male or female slave w ...[text shortened]... f slaves that were acquired from pagan nations and other foreigners being made permanent slaves.
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102011251?q=slavery&p=par