@pb1022 saidFair enough. Gotta go to bed. I spent 4 hours in the dentist chair Monday and 4 hours today so I'm beyond exhausted.
<<That is simply saying that both of them have a spirit that can affect a human. No where is it saying that Jehovah and Jesus are the same...
You using the word "interchangeable" is your thought, not the bibles in this scripture it says nothing like that here.>>
Ok, we definitely see that verse differently. I think it’s clear Paul is using Spirit of God and Spirit of Ch ...[text shortened]... .
If you don’t see it that way, that’s fine.
Neither one of us is going to convince the other.
Just one thought for you though. You may know this but are you aware that the teaching of the trinity was not taught in the church until about 400 years after Jesus died? It was never mentioned by Jesus or the apostles and was not accepted into the church until 400 years later and then it was being forced even then. Many during that time knew the origins of the trinity which was from Babylon and later Egypt and knew it was a pagan teaching.....
It's very easy to look up online if you are interested. Take care...
@galveston75 said<<Fair enough. Gotta go to bed. I spent 4 hours in the dentist chair Monday and 4 hours today so I'm beyond exhausted.>>
Fair enough. Gotta go to bed. I spent 4 hours in the dentist chair Monday and 4 hours today so I'm beyond exhausted.
Just one thought for you though. You may know this but are you aware that the teaching of the trinity was not taught in the church until about 400 years after Jesus died? It was never mentioned by Jesus or the apostles and was not accepted into the chur ...[text shortened]... it was a pagan teaching.....
It's very easy to look up online if you are interested. Take care...
Wow. That sounds like an ordeal. Hope it’s over.
<<Just one thought for you though. You may know this but are you aware that the teaching of the trinity was not taught in the church until about 400 years after Jesus died?>>
I think the Nicene Creed dates to much earlier that that.
<<It was never mentioned by Jesus or the apostles>>
Jesus’ last instructions in the Gospel of Matthew were for His disciples to baptize people “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”
Have a good Friday and weekend. Hope your trips to the dentist are over for a long while.
@galveston75 saidHere Jesus condemns that doctrine, and states clearly that body and soul are tow distinct parts of a man:
Yes we have a spirit or life force and the soul and body are the same thing.
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (Matthew 10:28 KJV)
Man can kill the body
Man cannot kill the soul
Only God can kill the soul in hell
Clearly they are two separate things
Let your doctrine match the bible otherwise you have no credibility.
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Just one thought for you though. You may know this but are you aware that the teaching of the trinity was not taught in the church until about 400 years after Jesus died? It was never mentioned by Jesus or the apostles and was not accepted into the church until 400 years later and then it was being forced even then. Many during that time knew the origins of the trinity which was from Babylon and later Egypt and knew it was a pagan teaching.....
It's very easy to look up online if you are interested. Take care...
Paul speaking to the church of the Romans uses the names in an interchangeable way "the Spirit of God", the Spirit of Christ, Christ, the Spirit of the One who raised Jesus from the dead, He who raised Christ from the dead".
He does so with the impression that his audience experiences what he is writing about with full familiarity. And this regardless of whether the word "trinity" was in their vocabulary.
"But you are not in the flesh, but in the spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Yet if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not of Him. But if Christ is in you., though the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is life because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of the One who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who indwells you." (Rom. 8:9-11)
It is the Triune God who INDWELLS those who received Christ as Lord.
Usually the people waving hands about Babylon or the Nicene Creed are those with no experience of the indwelling of God in them. For they have not experienced that to touch Jesus is to touch God for sure.
The Spirit of God above indwells the believers.
Incidentally, this Spirit of God is the Spirit of Christ.
Incidently, the Spirit of Christ is CHRIST Himself.
Incidently, the indwelling Christ in them is the 'Spirit of the One who raised Jesus from the dead."
The Holy Spirit is Christ in another form.
Christ in this form is the One who raised Jesus from the dead.
He indwells the believers and is the Spirit of Christ who is the Spirit of God.
It is the people wholly in their natural mind, a endless labyrinth of human reasoning without the indwelling Spirit of God who do not have any experience with allowing the Lord Jesus to come INTO their hearts, into their innermost spiritual being by confessing Him as their Lord - these are the ones always talking about the trinity is Babylonian or blaming the Nicene Creed.
One day they will stand before God in Christ who will remind them that they never received Him into their heart. Maybe because they never really believed that Jesus is the Lord - the resurrected Lord.
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@sonship saidActually that is your church doctrine taken from your church bible. The Holy Bible says that when the wicked stand before Christ on the day of judgment He will remind them of this:
One day they will stand before God in Christ who will remind them that they never received Him into their heart. Maybe because they never really believed that Jesus is the Lord - the resurrected Lord.
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat:
I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
I was a stranger, and ye took me not in:
naked, and ye clothed me not:
sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
(Matthew 25:42-43 KJV)
And your church doctrine leads people in that direction to their damnation.
@rajk999 saidhttps://www.freegrace.ca/does-matthew-2531-46-teach-salvation-by-works/
Actually that is your church doctrine taken from your church bible. The Holy Bible says that when the wicked stand before Christ on the day of judgment He will remind them of this:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat:
I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
I was a stranger, and ye took me not in:
naked, and ye clothed me not:
sick, and in prison, and y ...[text shortened]... hew 25:42-43 KJV)
And your church doctrine leads people in that direction to their damnation.
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@Rajk999
Your take on Matthew 25:31-46 ?
Debunked, Disbunked, Unbunked many times by me on this Forum.
I am opened to your debating that your interpretation is more valid.
I respect that others see Matthew 25:31-46 as the last judgment.
But you usually do not deal with the issues. You call names instead and hurl ad
homs and insults.
If you can't deal with the reasoning of what I explained, then ask someone else to step in and locate the faults and problems with it.
And there is a difference between saying in THAT DAY - "Lord didn't we do this or that in Your name" and saying TODAY "Lord Jesus, my Lord Jesus."
Maybe many who never received the Lord, used the name of Jesus to do things. And on THAT day find that He never allowed or approved of them doing so.
AT ANY RATE - Using Matthew 25:31-46 to inspire you to be charitable, sharing, comforting to people is quite Okay, I think. That is borrowing the passage for application. Borrowing the passage for application is not always the same as interpreting the passage.
And you have not been able to, imo, refute that that is not about the last judgment of all dead mankind at the great white throne in Revelation 20.
@pb1022 saidYeah I'm really hating my dentist right now. But still have some more to go too..
The soul and body are the same thing?!
I don’t think so. I think the soul is linked to the mind and consciousness, emotions, will, etc. Those have nothing to do with the physical body.
So, do animals have souls?
@pb1022 saidAlso do you know what exactly the holy spirit is?
<<Fair enough. Gotta go to bed. I spent 4 hours in the dentist chair Monday and 4 hours today so I'm beyond exhausted.>>
Wow. That sounds like an ordeal. Hope it’s over.
<<Just one thought for you though. You may know this but are you aware that the teaching of the trinity was not taught in the church until about 400 years after Jesus died?>>
I think the Nicene Creed ...[text shortened]... Ghost:”
Have a good Friday and weekend. Hope your trips to the dentist are over for a long while.
@pb1022 saidDo you really think I read the nonsense promoted by false churches. I read one once when you asked me too and I responded with how they changed the wording of the bible. Im not interested in your church doctrine.
Obviously you didn’t read the article.
You’re too obsessed with yourself and promoting your false Christ-denying doctrine.
If Im reading and promoting the doctrine of Christ how is that denying Christ ... moron?
@galveston75 said<<Yeah I'm really hating my dentist right now. But still have some more to go too..>>
Yeah I'm really hating my dentist right now. But still have some more to go too..
So, do animals have souls?
Sorry to hear.
<<So, do animals have souls?>>
No idea, but I do know Romans 8 says animals also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God so that seems to indicate they do.
“For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.”
(Romans 8:19-22)