@rajk999 saidYou’re not promoting the Gospel of Jesus Christ. You don’t believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Do you really think I read the nonsense promoted by false churches. I read one once when you asked me too and I responded with how they changed the wording of the bible. Im not interested in your church doctrine.
If Im reading and promoting the doctrine of Christ how is that denying Christ ... moron?
You’re rejecting what Christ accomplished on the cross in an effort to earn your righteousness (right standing) with God.
You reject the deity of Jesus Christ.
You reject the New Covenant.
You reject the Grace of God which gave us the victory through Jesus Christ.
Jesus isn’t central in your life - you have made yourself central - and you reject the two greatest commandments as articulated by Jesus - to love God and love your neighbor.
You reject worshipping God and prayer because you don’t love God and don’t want a relationship with Him.
You call Christians on here the most vile names because you don’t love your neighbor.
You reject the divinity of Christ and the two greatest commandments of Christ.
You are a Christ denier.
@PB1022
Thanks. I'm sooo tired of needles.. Lol.
So yes you are correct. Animals do have souls. But does this scripture you show apply to both animals and humans? Yes of course animals and in fact all layers of this planet have suffered because of man and all that he has done to ruin it.
But in this context, “creation” probably refers to humans since only humans can be waiting eagerly in expectation as they express hope of being set free from the effects of sin and death. Animals don't quite have that ability (Ro 5:12; 8:19) The Greek word rendered “eager expectation” alludes to the idea of a person stretching his neck to look for something or watching eagerly with his head raised. Again an animal doesn't work that way.
But the reason for the question about animals having souls is with what the Bible says about their souls and our souls. They both die. The Bible says that when a person dies, “his spirit ( or life force) goes out, he goes back to his ground.” (Psalm 146:4)
Remember before Adam was alive Jehovah created his body or soul but it showed no life yet. Then he breathed life into him. The spirit of life only comes from Jehovah.
The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew word neʹphesh and the Greek word psy·kheʹ. The Hebrew word literally means “a creature that breathes,” and the Greek word means “a living being.” * The soul, then, is the entire creature, not something inside that survives the death of the body.
Nephesh - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephesh
Nephesh ( נֶ֫פֶשׁ nép̄e&scaron😉 is a Biblical Hebrew word which occurs in the Hebrew Bible. The word refers to the aspects of sentience, and human beings and other animals are both described as having nephesh.
So what is the spirit?
The holy spirit is God’s power in action, his active force. (Micah 3:8; Luke 1:35) God sends out his spirit by projecting his energy to any place to accomplish his will.—Psalm 104:30; 139:7.
In the Bible, the word “spirit” is translated from the Hebrew word ruʹach and the Greek word pneuʹma. Most often, those words refer to God’s active force, or holy spirit. (Genesis 1:2) However, the Bible also uses those words in other senses:
Breath.—Habakkuk 2:19; Revelation 13:15.
Wind.—Genesis 8:1; John 3:8.
The vital, or animating, force in living creatures.—Job 34:14, 15.
A person’s disposition or attitude.—Numbers 14:24.
Spirit persons, including God and the angels.—1 Kings 22:21; John 4:24.
These meanings all share the sense of something invisible to humans that produces visible effects. Similarly, the spirit of God, “like the wind, is invisible, immaterial and powerful.”—An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, by W. E. Vine.
Remember before Adam was alive Jehovah created his body or soul but it showed no life yet.
I don't have a lot of time this evening though the discussion is interesting.
Adam's SOUL came about not before God breathed the spirit into his nostrils [ the body] but as a RESULT of this. Read it again please. His soul was the result of the joining of the spirit breathed out by God into His body.
"Jehovah God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul," (Gen 2:7)
Something very close to God Himself ["the breath of life"] was breathed into man, the spirit of man - "AND . . . man became a living SOUL"
@sonship saidNo afraid not. He became a 'living soul" exactly as your bible says. So that would mean he was a "non alive or dead soul" while his body or soul was laying on the ground. Once Jehovah gave him the spirit to live the soul/body awakened and it was now alive. Take that spirit of life that Jehovah gave him and the body/soul would have returned to dust starting that very day.
@galveston75
Remember before Adam was alive Jehovah created his body or soul but it showed no life yet.
I don't have a lot of time this evening though the discussion is interesting.
Adam's SOUL came about not before God breathed the spirit into his nostrils [ the body] but as a RESULT of this. Read it again please. His soul ...[text shortened]... life"] [/b] was breathed into man, the spirit of man - "AND . . . man became a living SOUL"
Did you not read the post on what soul and spirit mean according to the original languages in the bible? You should do a little research on your computer.....
No afraid not. He became a 'living soul" exactly as your bible says.
Exactly where the Bible says is when the God breathed the spirit (the breath of life) into the nostrils of what He had formed from the dust of the earth - "and man became a living soul."
The soul of Adam was not created before this.
So that would mean he was a "non alive or dead soul" while his body or soul was laying on the ground.
It means that when God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, then man became a living soul.
Man is of three parts - spirit and soul and body.
First Thessalonians 5:23 -
"And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."
I must suspend for the moment. I'll be back.
You don't want to take what it says there because you want to build a case that the soul of man is the same as the body of man.
@sonship saidSorry again but that is not what this scripture is speaking of. This is speaking about the congregation, not of a human. He was saying that the congregation needs to be preserved as a complete body or group with the same spirit and without any blame. Nothing more and not what you are saying it is.....
@galveston75No afraid not. He became a 'living soul" exactly as your bible says.
Exactly where the Bible says is when the God breathed the spirit (the breath of life) into the nostrils of what He had formed from the dust of the earth - "and man became a living soul."
The soul of Adam was not created before this.
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So that wo ...[text shortened]... it says there because you want to build a case that the soul of man is the same as the body of man.
@medullah saidPlenty of areas to disagree about what happens to believers and unbelievers immediately after they die. Go to Heaven? Hell? Purgatory? Or soul sleep until they’re resurrected? Probably other beliefs as well,
What we ought to do is find a subject that takes us away from the usual battlegrounds. We need to ditch debates about the trinity as most of us have entrenched positions and won't move. we need to find something that will change the dynamics.
@medullah saidGreat idea. But a few here have tried that, including myself, and it usually gets shot down really, really fast. I wish that didn't happen but it always has.....
What we ought to do is find a subject that takes us away from the usual battlegrounds. We need to ditch debates about the trinity as most of us have entrenched positions and won't move. we need to find something that will change the dynamics.
But thanks for the idea.
If you have an idea give it a shot!!!!!
@pb1022 saidLike your thinking, something in that area, something that isn't just for Christians.
Plenty of areas to disagree about what happens to believers and unbelievers immediately after they die. Go to Heaven? Hell? Purgatory? Or soul sleep until they’re resurrected? Probably other beliefs as well,
@medullah saidSounds grrrrrrreat!
@galveston75
Let me have a think and I'll start a thread that I'll ty and make inclusive.
Sorry again but that is not what this scripture is speaking of. This is speaking about the congregation, not of a human. He was saying that the congregation needs to be preserved as a complete body or group with the same spirit and without any blame. Nothing more and not what you are saying it is.....
Genesis 2:7 does not say "and man [DID NOT] become a living soul" because he already was. Take it as it reads -
"And Jehovah God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul."
The dust of the ground fashioning Adam's body was an incomplete Adam. But it was Adam in part. In the same way David said he was being fashioned in the earth before he was a conscious born individual.
"My frame was not hidden from You when I was made in secret, Skillfully fashioned in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; . . . " (Psalm 139:15,16a)
In the same way the incomplete Adam was physically present.
God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. The joining of that breath of life with the physical part of Adam resulted in his completion - "and man became a living soul."
As for First Thessalonians 5:23 God can exhort EACH individual in a congregation. His promise is to each individual Christian - eventually they will have all three parts of their being sanctified. Thus they will be sanctified "wholly".
Your teachers want to shoe horn these verses into the opinion they prefer - that soul and body are synonymous, ie. so many "souls" came out of Egypt simply meaning their bodies came out.
The context of verse 23 is one of many exhortations of promises to all the individuals in the congregation to which Paul writes. And generally to all Christians.
Individually - "Always rejoice" (v.16) [all of you]
Individually - "Unceasingly pray" (v.17) [all of you]
Individually - "In everything give thanks . . ." (v.18) [all of you]
Individually - "Do not quench the Spirit" (v.19) [all of you]
Individually - "Do not despise prophecies" (v.20) [all of you]
Individually - "Prove all things. Hold fast to what is good; Abstain from every form of evil" (vs.21,22)
And what is the promise of God to each ?
"And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly [or entirely, thoroughly, to the consummation] and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Of course every believer is in the audience, to the promise in the congregation, is the intended recipient of the blessing as of the exhortations preceding.