Originally posted by KellyJayIf G v g is a deal breaker for you, I suggest counseling. Which sucks! Who needs other people to help them figure out what to do with your own thoughts.
If you do not believe in God, and you are now talking about god, the only god you are
talking about has to be the figment in your imagination, since there is no god in your eyes,
It could be nothing else.
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Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeNo, when I or any Christian speaks about God we are sharing about our Lord and savior. As I shared with you earlier He saved me when I was 25, I am now 60, and through the years in good times and bad He has been faithful.
Come sir, we are merely discussing the figment of your imagination.
From the perspective of any Atheist any who speaks about gods are speaking of figments of their imagination, to acknowledge God is real voids your worldview.
So when we speak about God what you think I delusionally think God did, and what I affirm He did is what is going on.
You never leave the make believe even when confronted with someone who tells you it's true.
Originally posted by KellyJayLet's look at this objectively.
No, when I or any Christian speaks about God we are sharing about our Lord and savior. As I shared with you earlier He saved me when I was 25, I am now 60, and through the years in good times and bad He has been faithful.
From the perspective of any Atheist any who speaks about gods are speaking of figments of their imagination, to acknowledge God is re ...[text shortened]... .
You never leave the make believe even when confronted with someone who tells you it's true.
An atheist doesn't believe in God. An atheist therefore has no cognitive figmentation for God, due to this disbelief. A theist on the other had, as a result of 'believing' in God, does have a cognitive figmentation that he 'believes' to be real, even though empirically unsubstantiated.
Consequently, any discussion about God between an atheist and theist is exclusively concerned with the figmentation put on the table by the theist.
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Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeFor you to reject something you have to have an opinion, argument, reasoning for your rejection. If you have no opinion you are not rejecting or accepting anything, so to form an opinion even a negative one means a stance has been formed.
Let's look at this objectively.
An atheist doesn't believe in God. An atheist therefore has no cognitive figmentation for God, due to this disbelief. A theist on the other had, as a result of 'believing' in God, does have a cognitive figmentation that he 'believes' to be real, even though empirically unsubstantiated.
Consequently, any discus ...[text shortened]... theist and theist is exclusively concerned with the figmentation put on the table by the theist.
You can say "that God isn't real" that is a stance. To talk about a God as if none are real, does mean you have an opinion about what that would mean if God were real.
Several people's arguments against God here main foundations rest in God didn't do something the way they would, again revealing an opinion on what you think God would mean.
Originally posted by KellyJayAs an atheist, I certainly believe (despite my disbelief) that 'logically speaking' if a deity/creator did exist that was all powerful and perfectly loving, then the Christian God portrayed in the old and new testament wouldn't live up to a deity endowed with such attributes.
For you to reject something you have to have an opinion, argument, reasoning for your rejection. If you have no opinion you are not rejecting or accepting anything, so to form an opinion even a negative one means a stance has been formed.
You can say "that God isn't real" that is a stance. To talk about a God as if none are real, does mean you have an op ...[text shortened]... 't do something the way they would, again revealing an opinion on what you think God would mean.
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Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeMaybe this is the root of the problem. Christians have assigned God as 'all loving', when His character in the Bible contradicts it. Wiping out mankind in the Noah story is just one example. The stoning to death verses of the undisciplined son is another.
As an atheist, I certainly believe (despite my disbelief) that 'logically speaking' if a deity/creator did exist that was all powerful and perfectly loving, then the Christian God portrayed in the old and new testament wouldn't live up to a deity endowed with such attributes.
If we believe that our Creator is in fact the God of the Bible, then we must be honest with the character and emotions the Bible have given Him. It's clear to me that God is much different in the OT, than that of Jesus in the NT. Two different Gods almost, and that's if one believes Jesus is God.
Originally posted by KellyJayI understand your point. The believers are talking about the Real God, while the non-believers must be talking about an imaginary god.
If you do not believe in God, and you are now talking about god, the only god you are
talking about has to be the figment in your imagination, since there is no god in your eyes,
It could be nothing else.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeAs I said you have some standard you have used to reject God so you have an opinion.
As an atheist, I certainly believe (despite my disbelief) that 'logically speaking' if a deity/creator did exist that was all powerful and perfectly loving, then the Christian God portrayed in the old and new testament wouldn't live up to a deity endowed with such attributes.
Originally posted by KellyJayAcuity
What else do they have?
acuteness
astuteness
awareness
brains
brilliance
cleverness
comprehension
cunning
discernment
farsightedness
good taste
grasp
guile
ingenuity
insight
intellect
intelligence
intuition
judgment
keenness
perception
percipience
perspicacity
perspicuity
refinement
sagacity
sensitivity
sharpness
shrewdness
smartness
smarts
understanding
vision
wisdom
wit
And savoir faire.
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Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeYou at best can only talk about what you think is real to us and what you think we have experienced, which is not the same thing as discussing something you know.
Acuity
acuteness
astuteness
awareness
brains
brilliance
cleverness
comprehension
cunning
discernment
farsightedness
good taste
grasp
guile
ingenuity
insight
intellect
intelligence
intuition
judgment
keenness
perception
percipience
perspicacity
perspicuity
refinement
sagacity
sensitivity
sharpness
shrewdness
smartness
smarts
understanding
vision
wisdom
wit
And savoir faire.