Originally posted by KellyJayI'm trying to pick up what you put down. Take ownership. Stop deflecting.
If you do not believe in God, and you are now talking about god, the only god you are
talking about has to be the figment in your imagination, since there is no god in your eyes,
It could be nothing else.
Originally posted by KellyJayI am glad you found a way to be okay. Serious. But your god is hiding, and for like a supernatural creator that is omni, that kinda seems weird.
]No, when I or any Christian speaks about God we are sharing about our Lord and savior. As I shared with you earlier He saved me when I was 25, I am now 60, and through the years in good times and bad He has been faithful.
From the perspective of any Atheist any who speaks about gods are speaking of figments of their imagination, to acknowledge God is real ...[text shortened]... g on.
You never leave the make believe even when confronted with someone who tells you it's true.
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Originally posted by apathist
I am glad you found a way to be okay. Serious. But your god is hiding, and for like a supernatural creator that is omni, that kinda seems weird.
I am glad you found a way to be okay. Serious. But your god is hiding, and for like a supernatural creator that is omni, that kinda seems weird.
Here you use the word "serious" as if you are really not playing around with the problem of perceiving God. Am I right ?
I means you come across as saying -
"Seriously now, I did not notice God this morning in the sky.
Seriously now, Can't smell God, can't touch God with my hands, can't see or hear God this afternoon. Seriously, Where is God hiding ?"
So with you five senses you detect nothing in this universe called God, so, seriously - why talk about God when our five senses do not detect regularly God ?
Okay then? SERIOUSLY He who is uncreated, eternal and the ground of all being and called into existence - EXISTENCE should be discernible with our same senses by which we substantiate the world.
Okay. I'll consider your challenge as a serious one. But I think you should give some honest consideration to this at least on an equal time basis. Okay?
We have this book called the Bible. Now for some people a peek inside can cause a unusual reaction. They slam the book close and avoid it for most of the remainder of their lives. "I got a little bit of it. And that is ALL I want to know."
Whether this reaction is justified or not may depend on other subjective factors. But for some people they get just enough of what God says to know that they don't want to hear more.
How much of your objection to not perceiving God with your five senses influenced by a desire to rationalize "God is not" because of something/s you didn't like too much from this Bible ?
Is there any trace of " I PREFER God be not . And my five senses furnish some sound ground FOR that preference." ?
Originally posted by KellyJayAre you one of those who asks unbelievers to prove why your God is imaginary? If so, now you can be asked to prove that (as you also believe) the god of the nonbeliever is imaginary.
We both claim all the unbelievers have is imaginary. So yes!
Side note: Wikipedia:
"Hilton J. Blik writes that the phrasing in the Decalogue's instructions suggests that it was conceived in a mainly polytheistic milieu, evident especially in the formulation of the henotheistic "no-other-gods-before-me" commandment.
Why didn't God say something like there is no other god. Maybe it was written by a polytheist?
Originally posted by JS357No, I'm of the opinion that only God can reveal God. I believe if I talk someone into
Are you one of those who asks unbelievers to prove why your God is imaginary? If so, now you can be asked to prove that (as you also believe) the god of the nonbeliever is imaginary.
Side note: Wikipedia:
"Hilton J. Blik writes that the phrasing in the Decalogue's instructions suggests that it was conceived in a mainly polytheistic milieu, evident especi ...[text shortened]...
Why didn't God say something like there is no other god. Maybe it was written by a polytheist?
thinking God is real, than the next guy may talk them out of it; however, if they seek God
with their whole hearts they will find Him. Once that occurs then something real starts
between God and man. That is a far cry from God simply being a topic of discussion and
nothing more.
Atheist can only view God as they would anything imaginary, when someone says they
believe in two gods, one for the OT, and one for the NT, I would liken that to someone
who thinks Gandalf the Grey from Lord of the Rings, is a stronger wizard than Professor
Dumbledore from Harry Potter! There is nothing real coming from the discussion, since
both the books, and the people in question are not real. So who cares how it falls out?
After it is all said and done, the Atheist are not speaking about the real God, they do not
know or grasp Him. The only one they can come up with, is the one they paint to be the
god in their heads.
From some arguments I have seen, the major complaints some have about God is that He
isn't doing things the way they would, as if that were a sure sign of God.
Originally posted by karoly aczelGod fills the universe there is no place we can go He isn't there, He holds it all together by
so you think he is here ?
Where?
the power of His Word, even the universe cannot contain Him. He knows everything, so
there isn't a speck, no matter how small, He isn't completely aware of, and how it interacts
with the rest of the universe. He sees the whole of the universe as He does each speck,
all at once, and how it interacts with itself, He is timeless, while we are bound by the piece
of time called now, He is not.
So if He has goals, if there is something He wishes to do like give us the ability to make a
choice He doesn't want, personally, I think He is the only One who could create others
with that ability while He shows restraint.
Originally posted by apathistYou can only be angry at God, if you believe He is there to be angry at. This would include the hidden God.
I guess you're talking to the wrong person. You are very noisy on this board, I think clearly you are unsure.
I am angry at the hidden god.
Originally posted by KellyJayNo sir. It isn't a question of God not doing things the way we 'would', it is a question of him not doing things the was he 'should,' if indeed he is an all powerful and perfectly loving creator and giver of life.
No, I'm of the opinion that only God can reveal God. I believe if I talk someone into
thinking God is real, than the next guy may talk them out of it; however, if they seek God
with their whole hearts they will find Him. Once that occurs then something real starts
between God and man. That is a far cry from God simply being a topic of discussion and
not ...[text shortened]... about God is that He
isn't doing things the way they would, as if that were a sure sign of God.
I am not judging him by my own standards, but by the standards he himself has laid out in scripture.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeYou don't see that as the same thing, really? He either does it the way you think He should
No sir. It isn't a question of God not doing things the way we 'would', it is a question of him not doing things the was he 'should,' if indeed he is an all powerful and perfectly loving creator and giver of life.
I am not judging him by my own standards, but by the standards he himself has laid out in scripture.
or He is wrong! Seem like the same thing to me, you have this standard and God is not
playing by the rules as you see them, so He cannot be real!
Originally posted by JS357When God said that "you shall have no other gods before me", he understood that Man will make his own gods. In this, He was basically saying "I am the real deal, you have no need of 'other false gods', because I AM."
"Hilton J. Blik writes that the phrasing in the Decalogue's instructions suggests that it was conceived in a mainly polytheistic milieu, evident especially in the formulation of the henotheistic "no-other-gods-before-me" commandment.
Why didn't God say something like there is no other god. Maybe it was written by a polytheist?
And, ummmmm, who is this "god of the unbeliever", anyways?