Originally posted by FMF"Never the twain shall meet".
Say what you want. But when Grampy Bobby said "Christianity isn't a religion made by man, dependent on the observance of rituals without reality; it's a relationship, acquired by faith alone in Christ alone. It's much too simple a proposition for those whose intellects resort to willful blindness" it seemed clear to me that he was just preening himself whilst preaching to the choir rather than making any genuine attempt to transmit his religion's message.
GB, myself and others have made it perfectly clear our faith's "message".
But you refuse to accept the condition of the faith, which is simply trusting in God, as stated. Instead you blur and obfuscate the clear terms of the language of the faith by invoking the fallacy that the terms weren't clearly stated.
It's intellectually dishonest, which can be interpreted as willful blindness.
Of course that assumes that the faith of which we speak is of God and not man.
Originally posted by josephwGoing around accusing people with different beliefs from you of "wilful blindness" [and being "intellectually dishonest" for not accepting your assertions] is not much different from 'Ugly Americans' [and 'Ugly Britons' for that matter] going around shouting slowly at foreigners in English when abroad, convinced that everyone ~ deep down ~ understands English if you just say it loud and slowly enough.
But you refuse to accept the condition of the faith, which is simply trusting in God, as stated. Instead you blur and obfuscate the clear terms of the language of the faith by invoking the fallacy that the terms weren't clearly stated.
It's intellectually dishonest, which can be interpreted as willful blindness.
Originally posted by DeepThought (OP)Originally posted by Grampy Bobby (Page 7)
If you ask a Muslim what is important in their religion then my experience is that one will get a simple answer: "Allah is God and Mohammed is his Prophet.". Hardly any muslims post here, if any are reading then please forgive me if I have it wrong and correct what I've said.
The vast majority of theists who post here are Christian, so for all t ...[text shortened]... religions contributed. Possibly atheists might like to give a central tenet that they live by.
Christianity isn't a religion made by man, dependent on the observance of rituals without reality; it's a relationship, acquired by faith alone in Christ alone. It's much too simple a proposition for those whose intellects resort to willful blindness. ~Bob
Note: "What's important?" is your eternal address and the eternal address of your family members. It's a personal choice.
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Originally quoted by Grampy BobbyIf you want to get someone banned from the forum, just go ahead and try it Grampy Bobby. But what has DeepThought done to make you want to threaten him with a ban?
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIf there were a god there would be a law banning boring old windbags from internet forums.
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby (Page 7)
Christianity isn't a religion made by man, dependent on the observance of rituals without reality; it's a relationship, acquired by faith alone in Christ alone. It's much too simple a proposition for those whose intellects resort to willful blindness. ~Bob
Note: "What's important?" is your eternal ad ...[text shortened]... ly. Making modifications which misrepresent the original post will result in a forum ban." -Russ
... or at least a clause in the RHP TOS. 😞
Originally posted by wolfgang59Originally posted by wolfgang59
If there were a god there would be a law banning boring old windbags from internet forums.
... or at least a clause in the RHP TOS. 😞
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyReport the posts in question, Grampy Bobby, if that's what you want, and then if you succeed in censoring other community members who tease you for your puffed up persona, then so be it. Don't just spam up the thread with copy pastes and threats. 🙂
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Originally copy pasted for the umpteenth time by Grampy BobbyWhere has the "Please edit quoted text responsibly" rule been contravened? What are you on about?
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Originally posted by SuzianneIt was Grampy Bobby who quoted: "Please edit quoted text responsibly. Making modifications which misrepresent the original post will result in a forum ban", not me. In fact he has alluded to people getting forum bans twice on this page alone. You may want to look up "misdirection" in the dictionary. 🙂
Same old misdirection, as usual.
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Originally posted by FMF"Going around accusing people with different beliefs from you of "wilful blindness" [and being "intellectually dishonest" for not accepting your assertions]"..
Going around accusing people with different beliefs from you of "wilful blindness" [and being "intellectually dishonest" for not accepting your assertions] is not much different from 'Ugly Americans' [and 'Ugly Britons' for that matter] going around shouting slowly at foreigners in English when abroad, convinced that everyone ~ deep down ~ understands English if you just say it loud and slowly enough.
I'm beginning to think you don't realize how you obfuscate. No one is saying that by "not accepting" Christian beliefs you are doing so willfully.
What you are willfully doing is failing to acknowledge that you understand what you're being told. What you do instead is to misrepresent the points being made that address the topic of discussion by making statements like the one above, which is intellectually dishonest whether you realize it or not.
Believe and accept what you want, but stay on topic if you can, and quit it with the strawman fallacy arguments.
Originally posted by josephwGrampy Bobby said: "Christianity isn't a religion made by man, dependent on the observance of rituals without reality; it's a relationship, acquired by faith alone in Christ alone. It's much too simple a proposition for those whose intellects resort to willful blindness."
What you are willfully doing is failing to acknowledge that you understand what you're being told. What you do instead is to misrepresent the points being made that address the topic of discussion by making statements like the one above, which is intellectually dishonest whether you realize it or not.
This is quoted verbatim. I think his claims are nonsense. This is not due to "wilful blindness" on my part. There is no "intellectual dishonesty" involved, no matter how many times you claim there is.