There is nothing wrong with the theory of evolution. It all comes down to how you read the Bible. The bible takes different forms and needs to read according to it genre.for example,you will not read song of songs as historical narrative when it is poetry and you will not read Proverbs as a book of law like Leviticus. Now i have no doubt that our God have every capability to design the world in 6 days and rest on the 7th, i just don't believe that us what happened. Genesis 1 and 2 is a story of origins and is a representation of how the world began. God is God and can take as much time as he likes to create what he created.it would explain the dinosaurs as well as any other fossils that go over 6000yrs (which is roughly how old the earth is if you look at it biblically).
Originally posted by angelgabrielleWhats this? You can understand or test evolutions validity by reading the Bible? Evolution is either a valid theory or an invalid theory, but this can only be shown scientifically. Finding contradictions to a scientific theory in the Bible does invalidate the theory. Thats not how science works.
There is nothing wrong with the theory of evolution. It all comes down to how you read the Bible.
Originally posted by twhiteheadFinding contradictions to a scientific theory in the Bible does invalidate the theory.
Whats this? You can understand or test evolutions validity by reading the Bible? Evolution is either a valid theory or an invalid theory, but this can only be shown scientifically. Finding contradictions to a scientific theory in the Bible does invalidate the theory. Thats not how science works.
I'm sure you're gonna have your neo-liberal, freethinker, science-worshiping buddies up in arms over this one.
Originally posted by HalitoseThe thing is, I know you. You weren't being sarcastic in the bit I asked about.
It is worshiped by bestowing it the status of defining ultimate truth on all matters of our human existence.
You of all people should recognise sarcasm when you see it -- whitehead had obviously made a typo.
And as any scientist (or anyone with a brain really) will tell you, the universe defines science not the reverse.
Originally posted by XanthosNZYes, the second bit wasn't sarcasm.
The thing is, I know you. You weren't being sarcastic in the bit I asked about.
And as any scientist (or anyone with a brain really) will tell you, the universe defines science not the reverse.
I beg to differ (be it a tiny technicality): it is our perception of the universe that defines science. As much as it is part of the scientific method to remove human error and getting as true an image of reality, it is hardly infallible -- a point which whitehead totally ignores when drawing the battle lines: the great behemoth of absolute science (forgetting that today's theory is usually the butt of jokes in a few centuries) against the insignificant bug of untenable religion.
amannion:
You belive that there is no God?
You also believe that what is around was created by science?
Who walked with Adam in the Garden?
Who yelled at Job through a storm?
Who knows the beginning and the end?
Who was Abraham's friend?
Who walked on water?
Who didn't fall into the water?
Who calmed the storm when Jonah was on the ship?
Who wanted Noah to build the ark?
Who made Adam?
Who saw that Adam was lonely and made Eve?
Who told Abraham, that even though Abraham thought his
wife could not bear children, that Abraham's children would
number the stars in the sky?
I mean, hey, if you do not belive in God, then what is the
answer to these questions (and I could have listed more, you
know me)?
And don't tell me these people are fictional creations either!
Man, you need to check out: http://www.answersingenesis.org
You will find most of your answers there.
You don't believe in God, yet you question about the Holy Spirit?
I know, deep inside you, the Spriit lives.
Originally posted by NosracHahaha hahaha haha ha. That's hilarious. I'm not amannion but let's answer your questions anyway.
You belive that there is no God?
I believe that there can be no evidence either for or against God. Therefore I choose not to believe there is a God.
You also believe that what is around was created by science?
Nothing is created by science. Science explains how and why things happen.
Who walked with Adam in the Garden?
No one. The Garden of Eden is part of a Creation myth mostly lifted from earlier beliefs.
Who yelled at Job through a storm?
No one.
Who knows the beginning and the end?
No one.
Who was Abraham's friend?
Abraham was a pretty lonely dude. He might have heard voices.
Who walked on water?
No one.
Who didn't fall into the water?
No one. Isn't this the same as above?
Who calmed the storm when Jonah was on the ship?
No one.
Who wanted Noah to build the ark?
No one.
Who made Adam?
"Adam" didn't exist.
Who saw that Adam was lonely and made Eve?
"Eve" didn't exist.
Who told Abraham, that even though Abraham thought his wife could not bear children, that Abraham's children would number the stars in the sky?
No one.
I mean, hey, if you do not belive in God, then what is the answer to these questions (and I could have listed more, you know me)?
Show some evidence that Job, Abraham, Noah, Adam and Eve existed.
And don't tell me these people are fictional creations either!
Why not? There is no evidence to the contrary.
Man, you need to check out: http://www.answersingenesis.org
You will find most of your answers there.
That's hilarious. Answers in Genesis is the antithesis to providing answers. It can't even stay self-consistant.
Originally posted by NosracI AM amanion and I'll have a go too.
amannion:
You belive that there is no God?
You also believe that what is around was created by science?
Who walked with Adam in the Garden?
Who yelled at Job through a storm?
Who knows the beginning and the end?
Who was Abraham's friend?
Who walked on water?
Who didn't fall into the water?
Who calmed the storm when Jonah was on the ...[text shortened]... God, yet you question about the Holy Spirit?
I know, deep inside you, the Spriit lives.
You belive that there is no God?
Is this a question?
Anyway, I believe there is no god.
You also believe that what is around was created by science?
Not quite sure how you worked this one out, and again, it isn't a question. I believe what is around occurred naturally, but this isn't the same thing as it being created by science. After all science is just a human construct - it can't create anything.
Who walked with Adam in the Garden?
Who yelled at Job through a storm?
Who knows the beginning and the end?
Who was Abraham's friend?
Who walked on water?
Who didn't fall into the water?
Who calmed the storm when Jonah was on the ship?
Who wanted Noah to build the ark?
Who made Adam?
Who saw that Adam was lonely and made Eve?
Who told Abraham, that even though Abraham thought his wife could not bear children, that Abraham's children would number the stars in the sky?
I've grouped these altogether to save space since my response to each one will essentially be the same.
As an atheist I believe they were all deluded in some way. Who spoke to these people? Their delusional minds.
Who made anyone walk on the water? No one did. Such visions are easily explained as delusions, mass hysteria and other psychological offerings.
I mean, hey, if you do not belive in God, then what is the answer to these questions (and I could have listed more, you know me)?
This question pretty much answers itself. Since I don't believe in god, they don't need answers. I mean, what do you think atheism is? Do you think I lie awake at night in hot sweats over how to disprove this particular bible story or that particular purported miracle?
I don't.
And don't tell me these people are fictional creations either!
I won't. They probably did exist. Although we don't have that much in the way of confirming evidence, I'm guessing the biblical stories were based on actual people and have some basis in actual events - natural, non-god needing events.
You don't believe in God, yet you question about the Holy Spirit?
Yes, I question how people can get so sucked in.
Originally posted by 7ate9The early books of the bible are essentially the oral history of a primative people written down after many centuries of telling. They are largely myth.
i've been thinking a bit more about how one should read the bible??
the most clearest parts in the bible are when Jesus was alive walking the earth. the further back from that time the bible is more vague and has less seeable meaning.
how did those who wrote the first few books of the bible get their information? at what time in life were they alive?
I think your observation is very shrewd. I wish some of the more dogged fundies would reflect on what you've written
The old and new testaments, contained in the Bible, are TRUE.
Nothing is from mythology, nor is anything a myth.
What is a myth is how long y'all have been going on about a FALSE theory made
by a ludicrous person: Darwin.
You believe that what is around us was created naturally?????????
Explain how the earth sits on its axis, in an orbit which once moved even an 1/8 of an inch
can be so???
Explain how when "scientists" looked into galaxies they found one, one that was exactly
like our galaxy. This galaxy, however, revolved in the opposite direction.
Explain, whom, besides God, could do such a thing?
C'mon give me some answers out there not just "you insane" "your stupid" et al
Something that you can prove.
As to the early part of the bible (the old testament) specfically the Book of Genesis:
IT EXPLAINS CREATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!