Originally posted by NosracI've already said:
The silence, on this thread, that NO ONE will even touch
the Bible and try to prove it wrong is DEAFENING!
What are y'all scared or what?
I know that the Bible is true. It is God's living Word. Believe it!
C'mon, any takers? I thought not.
Just a lot of theorists theorizing over a theory, which is false.
I will pray for all of you.
PROVE THAT THE KORAN IS WRONG
I know that the Koran is true. It is God's living word. Believe it!
Or I will blow you up.
Originally posted by NosracFirst of all you should have started a new thread rather than trying to polute this one.
The silence, on this thread, that NO ONE will even touch
the Bible and try to prove it wrong is DEAFENING!
What are y'all scared or what?
I know that the Bible is true. It is God's living Word. Believe it!
C'mon, any takers? I thought not.
Just a lot of theorists theorizing over a theory, which is false.
I will pray for all of you.
Secondly you did not ask us to proove that the Bible is wrong but rather that it does not make sense which I already did.
As for proof that it is wrong, surely your implicit assumption in your post that the Theory of Evolution and the Bible are not compatible should mean that if the Theory of Evolution is correct then you would be convinced that the Bible is wrong. Since this thread has provided plenty of evidence for Evolution and none against it, you should be very worried.
Originally posted by StarrmanLet me start by saying I am not one who believes we are from any other creature that walks the earth today.
Sigh, perhaps you'd care to explain how.
But we have to remember Adam was created to walk in the garden. The garden was a place self sustaining to Adam.
After Adam left the garden he knowingly or not started to evolve. He had to, his offspring would have had to, they where not created to walk the earth. The earth would have had a heavy burden on them. If they didn’t evolve they could not have lived very long.
For some reason I can't explain we can't seem to dig deep enough into the earth to find any of Adams offspring. (I would love to see the day we do)
But we can find bones of humans and even though there similar there not the same as you and I today.
So like it or not we have evolved.
But for you to have faith and believe in God. You can’t agree with me. That’s just poppycock.
You can believe in God and evolution and they do not have to conflict with each other.
Originally posted by ChurlantI don't believe I've said anything against the 2nd law.
This is a good thing. The problem is you base those questions on misunderstood principles (such as the 2nd law) or faulty assumptions (no one was standing there to [b]see 'X', so 'X' can't be true).
-JC[/b]
I also don't believe you can apply an unlimited amount of power to a
very small infinite piece of material and get to do what is suggested,
that is create something so unique it grows in the face of obstacles
and then becomes much more functionally complex. Outside of
the claim that it occurred with life, which is the topic of debate
there isn’t an example of anything like that I'm aware of.
Kelly
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Originally posted by chronicmanSo, ignoring your babble, I'll post my request again. Please show how it is a fact that man was contradicting himself.
Let me start by saying I am not one who believes we are from any other creature that walks the earth today.
But we have to remember Adam was created to walk in the garden. The garden was a place self sustaining to Adam.
After Adam left the garden he knowingly or not started to evolve. He had to, his offspring would have had to, they where not creat ck.
You can believe in God and evolution and they do not have to conflict with each other.
Originally posted by KellyJayYou're a raving nutter.
I don't believe I've said anything against the 2nd law.
I also don't believe you can apply an unlimited amount of power to a
very small infinite piece of material and get to do what is suggested,
that is create something so unique it grows in the face of obstacles
and then becomes much more functionally complex. Outside of
the claim that it occurred wi ...[text shortened]... ch is the topic of debate
there isn’t an example of anything like that I'm aware of.
Kelly
Please explain what a "very small infinite piece of material" is.
If it's "infinite" its big beyond imagination. If it's "very small" its not very big at all.
So which is it you daft old softie?
WHOA! Explain how a person can
believe in God, who created the heavens and the earth
(see the book of Genesis in the Bible) which is CREATION.
How can this same person believe in evolution??????
I agree evolution to a certain extent, yeah, Adam walked out
of the garden, yeah, he had a hard life after that.
But the human known as 'adam' did not evolve like
Darwin suggests.
Originally posted by NosracBecause not all Christians are complete lunatics.
WHOA! Explain how a person can
believe in God, who created the heavens and the earth
(see the book of Genesis in the Bible) which is CREATION.
How can this same person believe in evolution??????
I agree evolution to a certain extent, yeah, Adam walked out
of the garden, yeah, he had a hard life after that.
But the human known as 'adam' did not evolve like
Darwin suggests.
For many, the bible is NOT a literal work from God's mouth, but rather a human-created work, inspired by God and his creation.
If the bible is taken allegorically, then it's simple to reconcile with evolution. God created the universe and the things in it, including the laws of the universe and the processes that happen within it. So evolution is merely a by-product of this divine creation. It is, in fact, evidence of the beauty and stunning complexity out of simplicity of God's creation.
Now I don't believe any of that, but I have many Christian friends who do (or something similar anyway.) There's no problem at all.
Your problem occurs when you must take it as a starting point that the bible is literally true.
You've asked us to disprove this.
How can I do that.
You believe that it's true. I don't.
You may as well ask me to prove that you're a raving loony. (Or that I am.)
You've stated that the proof is staring us in the face. 'Read the bible' you say and it will all become clear.
I've read the bible. (I wasn't always the calm and rational atheist that you see before you.)
It's no clearer to me.
Your point of view is in fact, completely alien to me. And I thank whatever God's out there you think exist that Australia has yet to fall victim to this rubbish. (Although I fear that it may not always be so.)
Originally posted by aardvarkhomeOops my bad,"...very small finite pieces of material" was what I meant to say.
You're a raving nutter.
Please explain what a "very small infinite piece of material" is.
If it's "infinite" its big beyond imagination. If it's "very small" its not very big at all.
So which is it you daft old softie?
Little tired I guess.
Kelly
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Originally posted by NosracProve to me that the Koran is wrong!
WHOA! Explain how a person can
believe in God, who created the heavens and the earth
(see the book of Genesis in the Bible) which is CREATION.
How can this same person believe in evolution??????
I agree evolution to a certain extent, yeah, Adam walked out
of the garden, yeah, he had a hard life after that.
But the human known as 'adam' did not evolve like
Darwin suggests.
What no reply? I didn't think so.
EDIT: So what hockey team do you support?
Originally posted by StarrmanHe we are just living our lives. All this time being raised going to school and learning. That over time man has changed. The men of today do not look exactly like the man of years and years ago. Through out the 20th century we have unburied many examples of man having slight differences. So we could line up a bunch of skeletons and look at them and see with our own two eyes there not the same. What do we call this change? ... At the same time people who go to church. Are learning God created everything as you see it. Well, when the two different student met they realized they where contradicting them selves. So at first glance you assume one has to be wrong. You say you believe in God and he is all knowing. Why do you discard the point, that God knew at creation man needed the power to change himself to live? Everything you say God created changes, why not man? What name would you like to call this change?
Sigh, perhaps you'd care to explain how.
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Originally posted by chronicmanI'm sorry, I don't mean to be obstructive, but what on earth did you just say? I really cannot tell if there's a point in there, or just a random collection of words. Go and read some books on evolution before you attempt to discuss it, it is clear that you have an almost complete lack of a understanding regarding it.
He we are just living our lives. All this time being raised going to school and learning. That over time man has changed. The men of today do not look exactly like the man of years and years ago. Through out the 20th century we have unburied many examples of man having slight differences. So we could line up a bunch of skeletons and look at them and see w ...[text shortened]... erything you say God created changes, why not man? What name would you like to call this change?
EDIT: And re-reading your post, it seems you probably have very little understanding of your own religion too.
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Originally posted by StarrmanSINCE YOU DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND ME TRY THIS OUT FOR SIZE
I'm sorry, I don't mean to be obstructive, but what on earth did you just say? I really cannot tell if there's a point in there, or just a random collection of words. Go and read some books on evolution before you attempt to discuss it, it is clear that you have an almost complete lack of a understanding regarding it.
EDIT: And re-reading your post, it seems you probably have very little understanding of your own religion too.
http://www.gcssepm.org/special/cuffey_04.htm
Research has provided many examples of successive species and genera (and in some cases families) linking major higher taxa of order or class rank (Cuffey, 1984, p. 266). For example, within Phylum Mollusca, transitional fossils have been found between [1] Class Monoplacophora and Subclass Nautiloidea (Pojeta, 1980; Runnegar & Pojeta, 1974), [2] Class Monoplacophora and Class Rostroconchia (Pojeta, 1980; Runnegar & Pojeta, 1974; Pojeta & Runnegar, 1976; Runnegar, 1978), [ 3] Class Rostroconchia and Class Pelecypoda (Pojeta, 1980; Runnegar & Pojeta, 1974; Pojeta & Runnegar, 1976; Pojeta, 1978), [4] Class Rostroconchia and Class Scaphopoda (Pojeta, 1980; Runnegar & Pojeta, 1974; Pojeta & Runnegar, 1976, 1979) , [5] Subclass Bactritoidea and Subclass Ammonoidea (Erben, 1966).