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    There are many Christians in this forum, and anyone of them can seek and find God and his salvation through the reading the Bible, sincere prayer, meditation, study, Christian fellowship and supporting various ministries.

    So why should someone become a Jehovah's Witness?
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    Originally posted by divegeester
    There are many Christians in this forum, and anyone of them can seek and find God and his salvation through the reading the Bible, sincere prayer, meditation, study, Christian fellowship and supporting various ministries.

    So why should someone become a Jehovah's Witness?
    I have heard, and I don't know if it is true, maybe Robbie will correct me.

    That when it is time for the bread and wine
    no one takes any of it. Is this true Robbie?
    No one in the Kingdom hall takes the bread and wine?

    Jesus commanded his followers take this ALL of you and eat it.
    Take this ALL of you and drink it. This is my body and this is my
    blood which will be given up for you. Do this in remembrance of me.

    So if you follow, we are to eat the bread and drink the wine in
    observance of our Lord Jesus Christ. These are the symbols
    of his body and blood which was offered up in sacrifice for us.

    Is it true that the JW's do not eat the bread and do not drink the wine?

    I was told only those who think that they are part of the 144,000
    chosen ones are allowed to partake in this ritual.

    Is that so? If so, then why are the rest excluded?
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    18 Jun '13 00:32
    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    I have heard, and I don't know if it is true, maybe Robbie will correct me.

    That when it is time for the bread and wine
    no one takes any of it. Is this true Robbie?
    No one in the Kingdom hall takes the bread and wine?

    Jesus commanded his followers take this ALL of you and eat it.
    Take this ALL of you and drink it. This is my body and this ...[text shortened]... allowed to partake in this ritual.

    Is that so? If so, then why are the rest excluded?
    I hope this helps.....

    The Lord’s Evening Meal—An Observance That Honors God


    CHRISTIANS are commanded to observe the Memorial of Christ’s death. This observance is also called “the Lord’s evening meal.” (1 Corinthians 11:20) What is so significant about it? When and how should it be observed?


    Jesus Christ instituted this observance on the night of the Jewish Passover in 33 C.E. The Passover was a celebration held just once a year, on the 14th day of the Jewish month Nisan. To calculate that date, the Jews evidently waited for the spring equinox. This is the day when there are approximately 12 hours of daylight and 12 hours of darkness. The first observable new moon nearest to the spring equinox marked the beginning of Nisan. Passover came 14 days later, after sunset.

    Jesus celebrated the Passover with his apostles, dismissed Judas Iscariot, and then instituted the Lord’s Evening Meal. This meal replaced the Jewish Passover and therefore should be observed only once a year.

    The Gospel of Matthew reports: “Jesus took a loaf and, after saying a blessing, he broke it and, giving it to the disciples, he said: ‘Take, eat. This means my body.’ Also, he took a cup and, having given thanks, he gave it to them, saying: ‘Drink out of it, all of p. 207you; for this means my “blood of the covenant,” which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins.’”—Matthew 26:26-28.

    Some believe that Jesus turned the bread into his literal flesh and the wine into his blood. However, Jesus’ fleshly body was still intact when he offered this bread. Were Jesus’ apostles really eating his literal flesh and drinking his blood? No, for that would have been cannibalism and a violation of God’s law. (Genesis 9:3, 4; Leviticus 17:10) According to Luke 22:20, Jesus said: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf.” Did that cup literally become “the new covenant”? That would be impossible, since a covenant is an agreement, not a tangible object.

    Hence, both the bread and the wine are only symbols. The bread symbolizes Christ’s perfect body. Jesus used a loaf of bread left over from the Passover meal. The loaf was made without any leaven, or yeast. (Exodus 12:8) The Bible often uses leaven as a symbol of sin or corruption. The bread therefore represents the perfect body that Jesus sacrificed. It was free of sin.—Matthew 16:11, 12; 1 Corinthians 5:6, 7; 1 Peter 2:22; 1 John 2:1, 2.

    The red wine represents Jesus’ blood. That blood makes valid the new covenant. Jesus said that his blood was poured out “for forgiveness of sins.” Humans can thus become clean in God’s eyes and can enter into the new covenant with Jehovah. (Hebrews 9:14; 10:16, 17) This covenant, or contract, makes it possible for 144,000 faithful Christians to go to heaven. There they will serve as kings and priests for the blessing of all mankind.—Genesis 22:18; Jeremiah 31:31-33; 1 Peter 2:9; Revelation 5:9, 10; 14:1-3.

    Who should partake of these Memorial emblems? Logically, only those in the new covenant—that is, those who have the hope of going to heaven—should partake of the bread and the wine. God’s holy spirit convinces such ones that they have been selected to be heavenly kings. (Romans 8:p. 20816) They are also in the Kingdom covenant with Jesus.—Luke 22:29.

    What about those who have the hope of living forever in Paradise on earth? They obey Jesus’ command and attend the Lord’s Evening Meal, but they come as respectful observers, not partakers. Once a year after sundown on Nisan 14, Jehovah’s Witnesses observe the Lord’s Evening Meal. Although only a few thousand worldwide profess to have the heavenly hope, this observance is precious to all Christians. It is an occasion when all can reflect upon the superlative love of Jehovah God and Jesus Christ.—John 3:16.
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    18 Jun '13 00:32
    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    I have heard, and I don't know if it is true, maybe Robbie will correct me.

    That when it is time for the bread and wine
    no one takes any of it. Is this true Robbie?
    No one in the Kingdom hall takes the bread and wine?

    Jesus commanded his followers take this ALL of you and eat it.
    Take this ALL of you and drink it. This is my body and this ...[text shortened]... allowed to partake in this ritual.

    Is that so? If so, then why are the rest excluded?
    The rest are expendable.

    The Instructor
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    18 Jun '13 00:33
    Originally posted by divegeester
    There are many Christians in this forum, and anyone of them can seek and find God and his salvation through the reading the Bible, sincere prayer, meditation, study, Christian fellowship and supporting various ministries.

    So why should someone become a Jehovah's Witness?
    I'd like to respond if this is an honest and a no trick kind of question? Let me know...
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    18 Jun '13 00:361 edit
    Originally posted by divegeester
    There are many Christians in this forum, and anyone of them can seek and find God and his salvation through the reading the Bible, sincere prayer, meditation, study, Christian fellowship and supporting various ministries.

    So why should someone become a Jehovah's Witness?
    "So why should someone become a Jehovah's Witness?"

    Same reason someone else might choose a different system of belief:
    an exercise of volition with respect to matters of eternal significance.
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    18 Jun '13 01:40
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The rest are expendable.

    The Instructor
    You have no clue at all do you? No need to respond as I know the answer....
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    18 Jun '13 09:381 edit
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    "So why should someone become a Jehovah's Witness?"

    Same reason someone else might choose a different system of belief:
    an exercise of volition with respect to matters of eternal significance.
    worldwide brotherhood, unity of belief, abundance of spiritual food, joy of a Christian ministry, guidance from those with experience in life, high moral principles, so many reasons.
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    18 Jun '13 09:38
    Originally posted by galveston75
    You have no clue at all do you? No need to respond as I know the answer....
    So by what you have written above,
    you think that only those who shall be members of
    this 144,000 are supposed to eat the bread and drink
    the wine.

    This is where your organization differs from the rest of Christianity.
    You were doing fine until you got to the third last paragraph.
    Your outfit is of the frame of mind that only a certain elect group
    of people should eat the bread and drink the wine whereas the rest
    of Christianity all partake of the bread and wine.

    It appears to separate people and create an elitist group which have
    more importance than the rest of us.

    I do not believe that is what Jesus taught us all.
    He came to save all not just 144,000.
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    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    So by what you have written above,
    you think that only those who shall be members of
    this 144,000 are supposed to eat the bread and drink
    the wine.

    This is where your organization differs from the rest of Christianity.
    You were doing fine until you got to the third last paragraph.
    Your outfit is of the frame of mind that only a certain elect ...[text shortened]... .

    I do not believe that is what Jesus taught us all.
    He came to save all not just 144,000.
    we do not believe that all persons will rule with Christ as Kings and priests, its a nonsense to state that, after all , a kingdom must have subjects, the same as a government has an executive body and a populace, so if you are going to rule with Christ as a king and a priest then partake of the emblems, after all, it was a provision which Christ instituted for those who will do so ( a covenant or an agreement for a Kingdom), if you are going to be a member of the great crowd, which no man can number (revelation 7:9), who are standing before the throne, then you are simply an observer. No one will stop you from partaking of the emblems, its simply that the vast majority of witnesses dont profess to be destined to rule with Christ as a king and a priest, they believe that their hope is to live forever on a paradise earth (psalm 37:9). Its not elitist, its simply our understanding (which you have no knowledge of) based on scripture.

    If all persons are destined to go to heaven or hell as nominal Christianity teaches then you need to explain how the righteous will possess the earth and reside forever upon it (psalm 37:29) and harmonise this with the fact that 144,000 persons are destined to rule with Christ as Kings and priests (revelation 14:1) If you think you can do better at explaining these things than us, then let us here what you have to say.

    I am thoroughly amazed johnny that the central teaching of Christianity is Gods Kingdom and yet professed Christians cannot tell you what it is, I've asked them dozens of times, not a clue.
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    18 Jun '13 10:081 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    we do not believe that all persons will rule with Christ as Kings and priests, its a nonsense to state that, after all , a kingdom must have subjects, the same as a government has an executive body and a populace, so if you are going to rule with Christ as a king and a priest then partake of the emblems, after all, it was a provision which Christ ins ...[text shortened]... ink you can do better at explaining these things than us, then let us here what you have to say.
    There is no need for you to be rude insulting my intelligence and
    saying that there are things I have no knowledge of. I am a frail
    imperfect human being just like you and yes there are many things
    that neither you or I will have no knowledge of.

    The fact of the matter is that the rest of Christianity is going by the same
    scriptures that you quote yet they all partake of the bread and wine and
    members of your outfit don't.

    Are you right and everyone else is wrong?
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    18 Jun '13 10:121 edit
    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    There is no need for you to be rude insulting my intelligence and
    saying that there are things I have no knowledge of. I am a frail
    imperfect human being just like you and yes there are many things
    that neither you or I will have knowledge of.

    The fact of the matter is that the rest of Christianity is going by the same
    scriptures that you quo ...[text shortened]... bread and wine and
    members of your outfit don't.

    Are you right and everyone else is wrong?
    i was neither being rude nor insulting your intelligence, its simply a statement of fact, how could you know what we believe unless you had studied it?

    the rest of Christianity also engage in warfare yet the Bible states that people should learn war no more, citing the fact that they all partake is what, argumentum ad populum, lots of people do it, therefore it must be correct, a fallacy.

    As i have said, if you can explain these things better than us, then be my guest, we think we are correct, but are always open to a more accurate understanding.
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    18 Jun '13 13:20
    Originally posted by galveston75
    I'd like to respond if this is an honest and a no trick kind of question? Let me know...
    It's a serious and genuine question. But please be prepared for my normal line of qurestioning, of course.

    You will need to demonstrate quite succintly (as opposed to lenghthy copy paste dumps) why someone would "need" to join the JW organisation if they are doing all the things I describe.
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    18 Jun '13 13:22
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    worldwide brotherhood, unity of belief, abundance of spiritual food, joy of a Christian ministry, guidance from those with experience in life, high moral principles, so many reasons.
    Those things are available in the Morman church.
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    18 Jun '13 13:49
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Those things are available in the Morman church.
    No the Mormon church has different factions, they do not have unity of belief nor a public ministry, their missionaries only carry out work for a small period of time, typically two or three years, Christ exhorted his disciples to teach and preach until the end of the system.
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