19 Mar 18
Originally posted by @secondsonSaved from their sins. in Ephesians 2
You just can't face the truth of Romans 3:28 can you?
It's so clear. "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."
Just too big of a leap for you I guess.
If you're not to afraid of going blind read carefully Ephesians 2:8-10.
Notice verse 10 and how it says that the works we should walk in we're before ...[text shortened]... race.
Not your faith.
Not your works.
Just keep on boasting though and violate God's Word.
Justified by God.by their faith
Inherit the Kingdom of God in Ephesians 5, becuase of their good works and righteousness
Three different things.
There are some saved and justified who will not see the Kingdom of God.
Why .. they lived unrighteously and did no good works
Do not quote one verse and think that gives you any understanding
Read the whole book of Ephesians
19 Mar 18
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelThen walk according to its truth. Don't presume to know something about Jesus you didn't learn from the Bible.
I do read the bible. You assume too much
19 Mar 18
Originally posted by @secondsonI learnt it from life
Then walk according to its truth. Don't presume to know something about Jesus you didn't learn from the Bible.
19 Mar 18
Originally posted by @rajk999So you think that John's baptism and listening to the sermon on the mount saved people?
The many thousands who wee baptized by John the baptist
The many thousands who listened to Jesus and believed at the Sermon on the Mount.
You want all their names?
No one is saved who's sins aren't washed in the blood of Jesus. Nowhere in scripture is anyone saved apart from faith in Christ.
19 Mar 18
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelAll religions are a scam. The Bible talks about a relationship, not religion.
Its the way the Christian church has turned religion into the biggest scam around.
Its all down to interpretation .
Trust no one , question everything
Maybe if you really do read the Bible you'll learn that, but that's no guarantee, I mean, just look at Rajk. He's got religion big time.
19 Mar 18
Originally posted by @secondsonTheir names are written in the book of life. You want to say Christ was wrong?
So you think that John's baptism and listening to the sermon on the mount saved people?
No one is saved who's sins aren't washed in the blood of Jesus. Nowhere in scripture is anyone saved apart from faith in Christ.
Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. (Luke 10:20 KJV)
Seventy disciples who knew nothing of the death and resurrection of Christ. Saved is not eternal life in the Kingdom of God. You do not understand what saved means.
Originally posted by @secondsonI belong to no religion.
All religions are a scam. The Bible talks about a relationship, not religion.
Maybe if you really do read the Bible you'll learn that, but that's no guarantee, I mean, just look at Rajk. He's got religion big time.
You do.
19 Mar 18
Originally posted by @rajk999I've read the Bible at least a hundred times, and passages and verses thousands of times. And I'll read God's Word forever and never plumb its depths.
Saved from their sins. in Ephesians 2
Justified by God.by their faith
Inherit the Kingdom of God in Ephesians 5, becuase of their good works and righteousness
Three different things.
There are some saved and justified who will not see the Kingdom of God.
Why .. they lived unrighteously and did no good works
Do not quote one verse and think that gives you any understanding
Read the whole book of Ephesians
I can tell by the things you say that your comprehension of the scriptures is under par. In fact, I can tell by the way you run from a few simple verses that you're scared to death by them.
You've built your whole theology around a performance based system of belief thinking that you're doing God a favor by doing the deeds of the law, which you can't do anyway, and if you say you do keep the law perfectly, which you would need to do in order to have the righteousness necessary to enter the kingdom of God, you would be lying.
19 Mar 18
Originally posted by @rajk999I belong to my Father in heaven, and what I have is a relationship with Him because my faith is in His son who died for me.
I belong to no religion.
You do.
John 6:28&29
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
¶ Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Get to work Rajk.
Originally posted by @secondsonYep .. resort to nonsense personal attacks, when you have no rebuttal to this :
I've read the Bible at least a hundred times, and passages and verses thousands of times. And I'll read God's Word forever and never plumb its depths.
I can tell by the things you say that your comprehension of the scriptures is under par. In fact, I can tell by the way you run from a few simple verses that you're scared to death by them.
You've bui ...[text shortened]... do in order to have the righteousness necessary to enter the kingdom of God, you would be lying.
The point is that Paul explains who is SAVED in Ephesians 2
He explains who inherits the Kingdom of God in Ephesians 5
The difference is good works and righteousness.
Saved born again Christians who do not qualify will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
Hundreds of times you read the Bible and did not figure that out?
Go read it a hundred times more.
19 Mar 18
Originally posted by @secondsonWhere does the bible speak of a relationship with God. There is nothing like that because your relationship with others prove what relationship you have with God
I belong to my Father in heaven, and what I have is a relationship with Him because my faith is in His son who died for me.
John 6:28&29
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
¶ Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Get to work Rajk.
19 Mar 18
Originally posted by @rajk999Quote the verses Rajk.
Yep .. resort to nonsense personal attacks, when you have no rebuttal to this :
The point is that Paul explains who is SAVED in Ephesians 2
He explains who inherits the Kingdom of God in Ephesians 5
The difference is good works and righteousness.
Saved born again Christians who do not qualify will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
Hundreds of times you read the Bible and did not figure that out?
Go read it a hundred times more.
19 Mar 18
Originally posted by @rajk999"Where does the bible speak of a relationship with God."
Where does the bible speak of a relationship with God. There is nothing like that because your relationship with others prove what relationship you have with God
Did Jesus have a relationship with God. Did Jesus not call God His Father?
You referred to the sermon on the mount earlier. Did Jesus not teach how to pray to God? "Our Father who art in heaven..."
Doesn't that qualify as a relationship? Father and son?
Wasn't Abraham called the friend of God? Isn't that a relationship?
You see Rajk, there's your problem. You obviously don't have a relationship with God, which is what God has accomplished, according to the truth of God's Word, by sending His son to die for your sins, but you're hung up on keeping the law instead of walking in grace.
19 Mar 18
Originally posted by @secondsonJesus had a relationship with God because he was righteous and was obedient
[b]"Where does the bible speak of a relationship with God."
Did Jesus have a relationship with God. Did Jesus not call God His Father?
You referred to the sermon on the mount earlier. Did Jesus not teach how to pray to God? "Our Father who art in heaven..."
Doesn't that qualify as a relationship? Father and son?
Wasn't Abraham called the ...[text shortened]... His son to die for your sins, but you're hung up on keeping the law instead of walking in grace.[/b]
Abraham had a relationship with God because he was righteous and was obedient.
If they were not obedient and followed Gods wishes then they would have nothing
You see Secondson, there's your problem. You obviously don't have a relationship with God, becuase you constantly decry good works and obedience to God.
You are like sonship and promote mouth worship and lip service
Originally posted by @secondsonI started a thread Pauls letter to the Ephesians.
Quote the verses Rajk.
Read it.