17 Jun 09
Originally posted by galveston75Please explain how this explains WHY god exists
Because PS 90:2 says why.
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Psalm 90:2 (King James Version)
2Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
17 Jun 09
Originally posted by jaywillWTF?
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If God exists, why does he exist?
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I don't know.
But I think I would first ask the question of God - Why existence ?[/b]
please excuse my rudeness but I have read through this thread a couple of times and it seems ridiculous.
Your last question seems the most ridiculous but I am giving you a chance here to redeem yourself and post something that makes a bit more sense,(in 500 words or less,hee,hee😀)
18 Jun 09
Originally posted by uzlessWe are entitled to ask why anything at all exists , but the only reason why we would ask such a question is because we believe that that thing has a cause or reason to exist. This implies that something else brought it into existence or caused it to be.
If God exists, why does he exist?
But what was the very first thing that ever "was"? And is the question "why is it there" relevant? The other possibility is that God (or existence , whatever) is eternal and is uncaused , that would mean the question "why does God exist?" is interesting but unanswerable.
18 Jun 09
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Originally posted by daniel58…before time started
God has existed before time started the real question here is why do we exist.
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That’s a logical self contradiction.
If there was a “before time started” then the existence of that “before” means time didn’t “start” then.
…why do we exist.
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Evolution -although that may not be even close to being the ‘kind’ of ‘why’ you were hoping for.
18 Jun 09
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonGod has always existed "outside" the realms of time, nor is he subject to its rigours as are humans, evolution smevolution, you cannot pass your fantasies off here Mr.Hamilton as if it were a reality, please, have some decency! 😛
[b]…before time started
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That’s a logical self contradiction.
If there was a “before time started” then the existence of that “before” means time didn’t “start” then.
…why do we exist.
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Evolution -although that may not be even close to being the ‘kind’ of ‘why’ you were hoping for.[/b]
18 Jun 09
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie…God HAS ALWAYS existed "OUTSIDE" the realms of TIME
God has always existed "outside" the realms of time, nor is he subject to its rigours as are humans, evolution smevolution, you cannot pass your fantasies off here Mr.Hamilton as if it were a reality, please, have some decency! 😛
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That appears to me to be a logical self-contradiction:
“HAS” is PAST tense implying a ’before’ some point in TIME (the present point of time in this case) and “ALWAYS” implies “at all points in TIME”.
Therefore, to say “God HAS ALWAYS existed…” implies he has always existed at all points in TIME which I believe tautologically means the same thing as “god has always existed “IN” TIME“. And yet your above statement as a whole logically contradicts this by implying that “god has NEVER existed INSIDE time” by the words “HAS ALWAYS existed "OUTSIDE"..…”
It would be more logically consistent to say either:
“God HAS ALWAYS existed "INSIDE" the realms of TIME”
Or:
“God HAS NEVER existed "OUTSIDE" the realms of TIME”
(although I think simply “God HAS NEVER existed”! 😛)