Why Evangelicals Hate Jesus

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Once gain why the huffington post was formed is an irrelevancy, I am interested in the content of the article which clearly states that there is a disparity between the teachings of Jesus and Evangelical Christians, a disparity like the following,

Jesus exhorted humans to be loving, peaceful, and non-violent. And yet Evangelicals are the group of ...[text shortened]... with Jesus teaching?

* http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

why do they hate Jesus in this way?

They probably don't Hate him.
The word says my people die for lack of knowledge.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Once gain why the huffingtonpost was formed is an irrelevancy, I am interested in the content of the article which clearly states that there is a disparity between the teachings of Jesus and Evangelical Christians, a disparity like the following,

Jesus exhorted humans to be loving, peaceful, and non-violent. And yet Evangelicals are the group of ...[text shortened]... with Jesus teaching?

* http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

why do they hate Jesus in this way?

I said it was propaganda.

prop·a·gan·da

Noun

1.Information, esp. of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
2.The dissemination of such information as a political strategy.

Propaganda is something that is misleading and therefore false, like the propaganda of the Watchtower Society when they say we are commanded not to give blood or take blood transfusions to save lives.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I said it was propaganda.

prop·a·gan·da

Noun

1.Information, esp. of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
2.The dissemination of such information as a political strategy.

Propaganda is something that is misleading and therefore false, like the propaganda of the Watchtower Society when they say we are commanded not to give blood or take blood transfusions to save lives.

I dont care what you say it is, I am interested in the content of the article and why Evangelical Christians hate Jesus by abandoning his teachings. If you have nothing to say in this regard then please stop spamming up the thread with logical fallacies and irrelevances.

Originally posted by RBHILL
They probably don't Hate him.
The word says my people die for lack of knowledge.

How can it be attributed to lack of knowledge? They have super churches, with all manner of conveniences in them?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
How can it be attributed to lack of knowledge? They have super churches, with all manner of conveniences in them?

Some believers don't read the word. So therefore that is lack of knowledge.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I dont care what you say it is, I am interested in the content of the article and why Evangelical Christians hate Jesus by abandoning his teachings. If you have nothing to say in this regard then please stop spamming up the thread with logical fallacies and irrelevances.

It seems to be obvious now that you have blinder to the truth and are only interested in promoting propaganda that agrees with your distorted point of view.

Originally posted by RBHILL
Some believers don't read the word. So therefore that is lack of knowledge.

so they go to church their entire lives and have little or no idea what Jesus teaches.

Originally posted by RJHinds
It seems to be obvious now that you have blinder to the truth and are only interested in promoting propaganda that agrees with your distorted point of view.

another logical fallacy and irrelevancy, this thread is not about me or my views, its about a Huffington post article and why evangelical Christians hate Jesus as is evidenced by their abandonment of his teaching.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Jesus unambiguously preached mercy and forgiveness. These are supposed to be cardinal virtues of the Christian faith. And yet Evangelicals are the most supportive of the death penalty, draconian sentencing, punitive punishment over rehabilitation, and the governmental use of torture. Jesus exhorted humans to be loving, peaceful, and non-violent. And ...[text shortened]... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-zuckerman/why-evangelicals-hate-jes_b_830237.html

Robbie, I don't know where to begin. I agree with some of your post, that is "Evangelicals" that love Jesus for what he offers them, but the death penalty is biblical. It was commanded in the Old Testament. Sure we forgive, but sin carries consequences.
I also agree with rehab, but it does not always work. Civil Law is for everyone, but what this country was founded on is for a moral people, a God fearing people, it has been noted that this type of government does not work for an immoral people.
The military was formed to defend the country, the Constitution and it's people and I agree it has been misused, but not necessarily because of Evangelicals.

I do not believe Jesus taught Socialism with a tyrant in charge, which is what we see in case after case. Giving to the poor is not Socialism. The government was not intended to tax and give to the poor. Nor was the government established to give out food stamps. The bible clearly states if one does not work he shouldn't eat. The churches should be supporting those who cannot work. But this system you describe is already in play and is being wildly abused.
The ones who should be helping the poor are the church. In this we have failed miserably. What we have now for the most part is a corrupt government and a divided church. I understand your frustration, I am frustrated too, but I will not play a blame game.
I am not a JW and I do not like labels. I am just a Christian who tries his best to learn what God wants through his word and through direct leading of his spirit in me, and I obey as best I know how. I help the poor, I give of my substance every week, and talk to people about the Good News. I have raised my family with godly values in mind and hope they do the same.
I even do strange things, like pay for the person behind me in a drive thru restaurant from time to time. I don't even know the person, I am just blessed to give and pray that the person thanks God.
I have been a Christian for over 40 years, since my mid twenties, (now look what you did, I revealed my age)...and I see things getting worse. But the bible declares this as well...I don't know what the answer is, but I do know we need to be examples. Win one at a time...

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Robbie, I don't know where to begin. I agree with some of your post, that is "Evangelicals" that love Jesus for what he offers them, but the death penalty is biblical. It was commanded in the Old Testament. Sure we forgive, but sin carries consequences.
I also agree with rehab, but it does not always work. Civil Law is for everyone, but what this count don't know what the answer is, but I do know we need to be examples. Win one at a time...

I suspect the best place to begin is at the beginning, lets take the first alleged deviation from the teachings of Christ.

Jesus unambiguously preached mercy and forgiveness. These are supposed to be cardinal virtues of the Christian faith. And yet Evangelicals are the most supportive of the death penalty, draconian sentencing, punitive punishment over rehabilitation, and the governmental use of torture.

Now you can of course argue that the death penalty may be sanctioned through an interpretation of various verses, but let it be known that in Biblical times, even under the Mosaic Law, that there were alternatives which sought rehabilitation rather than death, in fact Moses himself designated certain cities throughout the nation which were termed cities of refuge. Did God himself not forgive David rather than put him to death for adultery and murder because of his repentant attitude? What about Christ and the adulteress? Adultery was a capital crime at the time, was it not? Did Christ not always seek rehabilitation first and foremost? Draconian sentencing , punitive punishment over rehabilitation and the governmental use of torture to extract information, such as water-boarding are not in harmony with his teachings, are they?

Why are evangelicals so vociferous in support of these measures as is claimed by the article despite the fact that Christ preached mercy and forgiveness, for clearly there is a disparity.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Robbie, I don't know where to begin. I agree with some of your post, that is "Evangelicals" that love Jesus for what he offers them, but the death penalty is biblical. It was commanded in the Old Testament. Sure we forgive, but sin carries consequences.
I also agree with rehab, but it does not always work. Civil Law is for everyone, but what this count ...[text shortened]... don't know what the answer is, but I do know we need to be examples. Win one at a time...

So I gather you say 'screw the poor', let them die for all I care, the buggers are too lazy to get a job. Why if I was unemployed I would sweep gutters, clean pig pens if I had to. When I was a kid, I walked 3 miles to school. We were independent, we made our own way, we didn't depend on gummint handouts. Frigging commie government we have now and a bloody black as president. Makes me sick.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
another logical fallacy and irrelevancy, this thread is not about me or my views, its about a Huffington post article and why evangelical Christians hate Jesus as is evidenced by their abandonment of his teaching.

What I was saying is the Huffington Post article is being used as propaganda for the left wing liberal Democrat agenda to gain votes from the low information voters. That means it presents lies, half truths, misleading, and biased information to slander the good name of evangelical Christians, who are in opposition to their agenda.

Evangelical Christians are trying to do what they believe Jesus would want them to do by spreading the gospel of Christ. They are not against giving to those in need, but they do not make enough money to be able to support all those that use the system to be lazy and get out of work. There has become too many people that have learned to defraud the system as well as beg the churches for money and assistance that poverty can not be eliminated. The liberals make no effort to correct the problem, because they know they have the vote or these type people, because they depend on government handouts that they have not earned, but feel entitled to just by being an American. They will not work even if offered a job.

When the disciples were concerned about giving to the poor, Jesus was not that concerned and said, "The poor will be with you always." That defintely seems true in our world, because the more we try to help and provide for the poor the more they become dependent and increase in number. Certainly, they are a good source of voters for the liberal Democrats that promise to take from the rich and give it to them.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I suspect the best place to begin is at the beginning, lets take the first alleged deviation from the teachings of Christ.

Jesus unambiguously preached mercy and forgiveness. These are supposed to be cardinal virtues of the Christian faith. And yet Evangelicals are the most supportive of the death penalty, draconian sentencing, punitive punishment ...[text shortened]... e despite the fact that Christ preached mercy and forgiveness, for clearly there is a disparity.

Eliminating or liberalizing the penalties only encourages more crime. It is a foolish idea to try to rehabilate all criminals because most of them will learn to play the system like those that don't wish to work do with the welfare system. There may be a place for mercy in some cases, but let us have mercy on the victims of crime first.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Eliminating or liberalizing the penalties only encourages more crime. It is a foolish idea to try to rehabilate all criminals because most of them will learn to play the system like those that don't wish to work do with the welfare system. There may be a place for mercy in some cases, but let us have mercy on the victims of crime first.

Once again I am uninterested in your political point of view, I am trying to understand why Evangelical Christians have abandoned the teaching of Christ for as I have demonstrated, there is a plethora of Biblical evidence that both God and Christ sought rehabilitation first before punitive action, God in the case of Mannaseh and David, Christ in the case of the adulteress in direct opposition to your assertions. Why do you hate Christ in this way by abandoning his teaching?

Originally posted by RJHinds
What I was saying is the Huffington Post article is being used as propaganda for the left wing liberal Democrat agenda to gain votes from the low information voters. That means it presents lies, half truths, misleading, and biased information to slander the good name of evangelical Christians, who are in opposition to their agenda.

Evangelical Christians ce of voters for the liberal Democrats that promise to take from the rich and give it to them.

That Christ is not interested in the poor is a lie and a distortion of the biblical message.

(Matthew 11:5, 6) The blind are seeing again, and the lame are walking about, the lepers are being cleansed and the deaf are hearing, and the dead are being raised up, and the poor are having the good news declared to them and happy is he that finds no cause for stumbling in me.”

(Mark 10:21) Jesus looked upon him and felt love for him and said to him: “One thing is missing about you: Go, sell what things you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven, and come be my follower.”

(Luke 4:18, 19) “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor, he sent me forth to preach a release to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away with a release, to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year

(Luke 6:20) “Happy are you poor, because yours is the kingdom of God.

(Romans 15:26) For those in Macedonia and Achaia have been pleased to share up their things by a contribution to the poor of the holy ones in Jerusalem

(2 Corinthians 9:8, 9) God, moreover, is able to make all his undeserved kindness abound toward you, that, while you always have full self-sufficiency in everything, you may have plenty for every good work. (Just as it is written: “He has distributed widely, he has given to the poor ones, his righteousness continues forever

(Galatians 2:10) Only we should keep the poor in mind. This very thing I have also earnestly endeavored to do.


Clearly Christ was interested in rendering aid to the disadvantaged. Why do you hate Jesus by abandoning his teaching?