Why Evangelicals Hate Jesus

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
You know as well as I do that Christ is depicted in the book of revelation as a warrior and that God has a day of reckoning, 'the great day of God the Almighty', the war of Armageddon, but that is God and Christ's affair, not the affair of Christians. We are counselled not to learn war,

(Matthew 26:52) Then Jesus said to him: “Return your sword t ...[text shortened]... itual sustenance, loving , caring and self sacrificing, come to be replaced by a terminator.

just out of interest (no big debate intended). i was recently pointed towards a quote from jesus where he told followers to go and buy swords, how do you reconcile this with his general non violence stance.


and also did he not respond with violence when he found people selling stuff in the church (vague biblical memory from childhood).

Originally posted by stellspalfie
just out of interest (no big debate intended). i was recently pointed towards a quote from jesus where he told followers to go and buy swords, how do you reconcile this with his general non violence stance.


and also did he not respond with violence when he found people selling stuff in the church (vague biblical memory from childhood).

The fact that two swords were available among the disciples on the night of Jesus betrayal was not unusual for those times (Lu 22:38), and there is evidence that for Galileans in particular it was not uncommon to carry arms. (See The Jewish War, by F. Josephus, III, 42 [iii, 2]) Jesus’ words at Luke 22:36, “Let the one having no sword sell his outer garment and buy one,” would not indicate that his disciples were about to enter into a hazardous life. Rather, he desired to have a sword available among his followers on that night in order to demonstrate clearly that, though they would come into circumstances that could easily provoke armed resistance, he did not intend to resort to the sword but would give himself up voluntarily in harmony with God’s will. Thus, when Peter did react and try to put up armed resistance, lopping off the ear of Malchus, Jesus ordered him: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword.” (Mt 26:52; Joh 18:10, 11) Certainly, Peter’s sword and the other one at hand would have availed little against such a large group of armed men, and by trying to use them, they would undoubtedly have ‘perished by the sword.’ (Mt 26:47) More important, such attempted delivery of Jesus would have failed, being completely contrary to Jehovah God’s purpose. (Mt 26:53, 54) As it was, later that day Jesus could plainly state to Pilate: “If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source.”—Joh 18:36.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
just out of interest (no big debate intended). i was recently pointed towards a quote from jesus where he told followers to go and buy swords, how do you reconcile this with his general non violence stance.


and also did he not respond with violence when he found people selling stuff in the church (vague biblical memory from childhood).

he responded with righteous indignation against an unjust practice, overturned the money changers tables and drove out the animals.

Originally posted by galveston75
Well yes but that was only a part of why he came to earth.
But the rest of the bible does not agree with that thought that faith is all that is needed. So since it doesn't there must be more to gaining salvation. And gaining salvation should not be our only motive but it should be to help others gain that too.
Not saying that is your motive but for ...[text shortened]... ed to do but are pretty much happy just sitting back and waiting for their salvation to start.

Salvation starts at the persons conversion.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Do you think God and Jesus are always against war?

Jesus is going to bring war with him on the end times.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Jesus unambiguously preached mercy and forgiveness. These are supposed to be cardinal virtues of the Christian faith. And yet Evangelicals are the most supportive of the death penalty, draconian sentencing, punitive punishment over rehabilitation, and the governmental use of torture. Jesus exhorted humans to be loving, peaceful, and non-violent. And ...[text shortened]... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-zuckerman/why-evangelicals-hate-jes_b_830237.html

Jesus said in Matthew that he was bringing a sword not peace. Matt. 10:34
So the writer therefore is speaking out of his other end.

Originally posted by RBHILL
Jesus said in Matthew that he was bringing a sword not peace. Matt. 10:34
So the writer therefore is speaking out of his other end.

I see, well that being the case perhaps you can reconcile the other verse that i have cited, or you can do what most evangelicals do and ignore them because they dont fit in with your caricature of Christ and even if it is true will you explain to the forum why the verse forms a justification for the support of any act in which 120,000 civilians have lost their lives, many of whom were women and children and fellow Christians, thanks.

Originally posted by RBHILL
Jesus said in Matthew that he was bringing a sword not peace. Matt. 10:34
So the writer therefore is speaking out of his other end.

and just to clarify the verse at Matthew 10:34, seeing that there may be interested parties looking on, of course Christ is not referring to a literal sword otherwise it would mean that he was sanctioning the murder of family members, but that the adoption of Christianity would divide family members, of which there is a plethora of both modern and ancient accounts. What type of monster are these evangelists bent on portraying Christ as? Why do they hate him in this way?

(Matthew 10:34-36)Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword. For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man’s enemies will be persons of his own household.

Oh dear RBHill, seems that taking a verse out of context has done you no good whatsoever, has it.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie

So I will ask you once again, what possible scriptural justification could there be for invading a nation and causing the civilian deaths of some 120,000 people, many of whom were Christian, as a consequence? How has this caricature of Christ come to replace that of the beneficent shepherd, caring and nurturing, providing physical and spiritual sustenance, loving , caring and self sacrificing, come to be replaced by a terminator.

I don't have an answer to your question, since I do not know all the details of what prompted that war, and neither do you. You are assuming a great deal and having fun at bashing Christians while you are at it, at least it seems that way. You do know that Christian persecution was going on there even before the war.
I also do not believe that Jesus nor God are being depicted accurately by your comments here.
Let's see, you are accusing Evangelicals of "hating Jesus" which is not true. I thought that would be the job of the great accuser, not you. You are depicting Jesus and God of being wishy washy, turn the other cheek stereotypes. You could not be further from the truth.
Christians are to defend themselves not turn the other cheek as you imply.
You should know that Jesus's comments about turning the other cheek was addressing insult, not life threatening attacks.
I will provide more scriptural detail if you wish.
And yes, Christians are to be gentle, loving and nurturing, but God is also a Warrior and so is Christ.
That is not to say that the war in Iraq was justified, as I said, we do not know all the details, physically nor spiritually.
I also do not know that all evangelicals supported that war...maybe some did, but don't group them all as one.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
I don't have an answer to your question, since I do not know all the details of what prompted that war, and neither do you. You are assuming a great deal and having fun at bashing Christians while you are at it, at least it seems that way. You do know that Christian persecution was going on there even before the war.
I also do not believe that Jesus nor hat all evangelicals supported that war...maybe some did, but don't group them all as one.

I am interested in why these values of evangelicals have formed a caricature of Christ in the way that they have, if there is no justification for the invasion of Iraq, why were they so vociferous in supporting it? there must be a reason, surely? Of course you are correct, many did not support it but again that is a side issue. The reason why i seek to initiate this discussion is to find out what factors have led to evangelicals adopting a position which seems essentially diametrically opposed to the portrait of Christ that we get from scripture. I understand that it must be uncomfortable for you if you have some emotional interest vested, but i am little more rational than that, interested in historical aspects, scriptural, cultural, anything that can lead to an understanding.

If the love of God means that we obey his commandments and there are professed Christians it seems who do not obey those commandments or at very least cannot justify the stance they have taken on issues which are clearly at odds with Christs teachings then a person is fully justified in stating that they do not love God for to paint a caricature of someone as gross as evangelicals have done of Christ is hardly an act of love.

I am sorry if you find this painful or distasteful, setting a broken bone is never easy nor comfortable.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
[b i seek to initiate this discussion is to find out what factors have led to evangelicals adopting a position which seems essentially diametrically opposed to the portrait of Christ that we get from scripture[/b]

I am not uncomfortable with the topic, nor do I think all Christians are to be painted as you have portrayed...but I will say this in regards to what you seek....
God made man in his image, but many have made God in their image.
That is why there are so many flavors of Christianity..

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
and just to clarify the verse at Matthew 10:34, seeing that there may be interested parties looking on, of course Christ is not referring to a literal sword otherwise it would mean that he was sanctioning the murder of family members, but that the adoption of Christianity would divide family members, of which there is a plethora of both modern and an ...[text shortened]... h dear RBHill, seems that taking a verse out of context has done you no good whatsoever, has it.

Have you ever accepted Christ as your savior?

Originally posted by RBHILL
Have you ever accepted Christ as your savior?

I dont know, what does that mean? accept Christ as saviour, saviour from what?

Originally posted by checkbaiter
I am not uncomfortable with the topic, nor do I think all Christians are to be painted as you have portrayed...but I will say this in regards to what you seek....
God made man in his image, but many have made God in their image.
That is why there are so many flavors of Christianity..

yes that is quite excellently put.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Ok then, lets ask you again, why is there a huge disparity between the teachings of
Christ and the values held by evangelical Christians who profess to love him. For
example,

Jesus exhorted humans to be loving, peaceful, and non-violent. And yet Evangelicals
are the group of Americans most supportive of easy-access weaponry, little-to-no ...[text shortened]...
military invasion of various countries around the world.

Why do they hate Jesus in this way?

Jesus was nonviolent?

I should take a whip to you robbie!! 😠