Why Evangelicals Hate Jesus

Originally posted by stellspalfie
although i agree with the gist of your post. isnt the issue bigger than if christians in iraq are being persecuted or not. wouldnt jesus be against any innocent person being hurt and killed by bombs. the whole thing seems like the very antithisis of being a christian.

the whole thing seems like the very antithisis of being a christian - stellspalfie

That is exactly what I am saying and trying to find out why or on what scriptural basis they utilise to support their stance.

Originally posted by galveston75
The truth of God and his word can be found in any bible. But one needs to research and realize that some wordings have been altered in a few to influance and support certian beliefs that are not taught in the bible as a whole.
As far as the question about other religions, it is my honest answer that most religions are not following the Bible in a truth ...[text shortened]... e made mistakes like any person or group would in learning about God and what he wants us to do.

does your faith stipulate that only j.w's will be saved? or will members of other denominations make it into the new earthy kingdom? (i can never remember what you call it, new jerusalem?)

Originally posted by RBHILL
that is right.

How can that be? If that is all that's required, why the rest of the Bible?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
does your faith stipulate that only j.w's will be saved? or will members of other denominations make it into the new earthy kingdom? (i can never remember what you call it, new jerusalem?)

From what the Bible teaches and requires, it is our opinion that this organization of brothers and sisters are doing what God says to do.
But...as has been discussed in length before none of us are judges and cannot decide what only God and his son can do and that is to approve or disapprove ones future.
There is what the Bible calls a new Jerusalem but that does not apply to a place here on the earth. The Bible descibes that as being in heaven. So only the ones who go to heaven, the "little flock or the chosen ones" will reside there alongside Jesus.

Originally posted by galveston75
From what the Bible teaches and requires, it is our opinion that this organization of brothers and sisters are doing what God says to do.
But...as has been discussed in length before none of us are judges and cannot decide what only God and his son can do and that is to approve or disapprove ones future.
There is what the Bible calls a new Jerusalem ...[text shortened]... nes who go to heaven, the "little flock or the chosen ones" will reside there alongside Jesus.

if you guys believe people from other christian faiths can be saved by god, doesnt this therefore mean that its not super important which bible you follow?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
if you guys believe people from other christian faiths can be saved by god, doesnt this therefore mean that its not super important which bible you follow?

Sure but if one knew of a Bible that was as close to the original writings, why not use it? Why not use one that does not favor a false teaching?

Originally posted by galveston75
Sure but if one knew of a Bible that was as close to the original writings, why not use it? Why not use one that does not favor a false teaching?

of coarse if its innocently just about getting the best version. but some of the differences of the bible cause divisive beliefs that imply god does view some christian faiths sinful because they dont carry out certain rules of his. you have several associated with yours that im sure you get sick of people banging on about. but if the contents of the bible didnt really make a huge difference to god (hence him saving people from various christian faiths) then why follow strict (i would say extreme) rules.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
of coarse if its innocently just about getting the best version. but some of the differences of the bible cause divisive beliefs that imply god does view some christian faiths sinful because they dont carry out certain rules of his. you have several associated with yours that im sure you get sick of people banging on about. but if the contents of the bi ...[text shortened]... saving people from various christian faiths) then why follow strict (i would say extreme) rules.

All this infighting just goes to prove how war like religions, most religions anyway, are.

You can't even agree on the tenants of your own religion, it's easy to see how religious wars start.

Originally posted by galveston75
How can that be? If that is all that's required, why the rest of the Bible?

reamember Jesus came to do what we couldn't. which is fulfill the Law.

if it is not about Jesus dying on the cross and you had to work for salvation then he died for nothing.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Jesus unambiguously preached mercy and forgiveness. These are supposed to be cardinal virtues of the Christian faith. And yet Evangelicals are the most supportive of the death penalty, draconian sentencing, punitive punishment over rehabilitation, and the governmental use of torture. Jesus exhorted humans to be loving, peaceful, and non-violent. And http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-zuckerman/why-evangelicals-hate-jes_b_830237.html

Funny article, robbie.

"Evangelicals hate Jesus!!! Oh, but we should make a quick clarification here: they don't actually hate Jesus; rather, they dearly love him."

😵

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
ok, lets take another example, the invasion of Iraq, which was supported by many rampant evangelicals,

The Iraq war has had detrimental affects on the country’s small population of Christians. It is estimated that Christians make up nearly half of all refugees leaving Iraq, although they make up less than three percent of the country’s population ...[text shortened]... laim justification for their stance in support for the the invasion of another sovereign nation.

Do you think God and Jesus are always against war?

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Do you think God and Jesus are always against war?

i reckon he does and its one of the few things i respect about their religion. although i disagree with it strongly it seems to be in keeping with the words of jesus. a true christian would not kill and would accept death rather than commit a sin.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Do you think God and Jesus are always against war?

You know as well as I do that Christ is depicted in the book of revelation as a warrior and that God has a day of reckoning, 'the great day of God the Almighty', the war of Armageddon, but that is God and Christ's affair, not the affair of Christians. We are counselled not to learn war,

(Matthew 26:52) Then Jesus said to him: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword.

(2 Corinthians 10:4, 5) For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things.

(Isaiah 2:3, 4) For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.


So I will ask you once again, what possible scriptural justification could there be for invading a nation and causing the civilian deaths of some 120,000 people, many of whom were Christian, as a consequence? How has this caricature of Christ come to replace that of the beneficent shepherd, caring and nurturing, providing physical and spiritual sustenance, loving , caring and self sacrificing, come to be replaced by a terminator.

Originally posted by RBHILL
reamember Jesus came to do what we couldn't. which is fulfill the Law.

if it is not about Jesus dying on the cross and you had to work for salvation then he died for nothing.

Well yes but that was only a part of why he came to earth.
But the rest of the bible does not agree with that thought that faith is all that is needed. So since it doesn't there must be more to gaining salvation. And gaining salvation should not be our only motive but it should be to help others gain that too.
Not saying that is your motive but for most that I've known, it is. Most do not want to do the other things that Jesus commanded to do but are pretty much happy just sitting back and waiting for their salvation to start.

Originally posted by LemonJello
Funny article, robbie.

"Evangelicals hate Jesus!!! Oh, but we should make a quick clarification here: they don't actually hate Jesus; rather, they dearly love him."

😵

Its somewhat of a phenomena to my mind that these very real issues are being fought on the basis of a religious disposition and fascinating to try to understand how America has come to be formed in the way it has.