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Originally posted by galveston75I see your reason here; I call you an intellectual thief and you accuse me of not wanting to learn anything because I'm not interested in reading your copy/paste from the watchtower.
So are you just going to do this knee jerk responce or did you actually take the time to read it and look up the scriptures to possible learn something new?
I think I know the answer so no need for you to respond....
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Originally posted by SwissGambitI think the regular posters recognise that the JWs are not allowed to have thoughts of their own but that does give licence to pass off someone else's writing as their own. Honesty requires the link be posted to recognise the author and allow readers to check out the wider text if they want to.
"You're not an intellectually honest Borg member...you stole that idea from your cellmate!" 😵
05 Oct 13
Originally posted by galveston75It is simply proper to give your source credit, to any who do not know
Where did I say I wrote this? You obviously see that it is from the Watchtower Society so no doubt others do too. If someone wants to know where it came from, I'd be glad to say.
So are you just going to do this knee jerk responce or did you actually take the time to read it and look up the scriptures to possible learn something new?
I think I know the answer so no need for you to respond....
it is assumed you actually wrote what had your name attached to it.
Kelly
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Originally posted by galveston75I know about their lies and twisting of scripture because I have studied with them. Others like you don't know any better because they don't know the truth.
Where did I say I wrote this? You obviously see that it is from the Watchtower Society so no doubt others do too. If someone wants to know where it came from, I'd be glad to say.
So are you just going to do this knee jerk responce or did you actually take the time to read it and look up the scriptures to possible learn something new?
I think I know the answer so no need for you to respond....
The Instructor
05 Oct 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBut why does a 'spirit' need to rest? Rest and sleep is needed in humans, and countless other animals, for the skeletal, nervous, immune and muscular systems to grow and rejuvenate, yet surely a spirit is not material?!
hmmmm, i suspect that it was because the creation was complete.
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Originally posted by Great Big SteesTalk about a thankless job and one that you NEVER leave. Although I suppose that there is, on occasion, something new to have to deal with but not too often.
Did God rest on the seventh day. He/She doesn't sleep or eat or...well all He/She really does is...what, watch us?
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Originally posted by Great Big SteesThe rest there is related to satisfaction not to the need to be rejuvenated from weariness.
Did God rest on the seventh day. He/She doesn't sleep or eat or...well all He/She really does is...what, watch us?
It is the rest of having obtained what one desires and being satisfied.
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But why does a 'spirit' need to rest? Rest and sleep is needed in humans, and countless other animals, for the skeletal, nervous, immune and muscular systems to grow and rejuvenate, yet surely a spirit is not material?!
The rest there has to do with satisfaction. It is not the rest of recovering from strenuous physical activity or strenuous mental activity. It is the rest of having arrived at a climax of what one wants.
Man - in the image of God - made to express God and exercise God's dominion on behalf of God as a deputy authority.
This is what God wanted. So He rests.
05 Oct 13
Originally posted by sonshipWhy do you assume God needed to rest?But why does a 'spirit' need to rest? Rest and sleep is needed in humans, and countless other animals, for the skeletal, nervous, immune and muscular systems to grow and rejuvenate, yet surely a spirit is not material?!
The rest there has to do with satisfaction. It is not the rest of recovering from strenuous physical activity or stre ...[text shortened]... od's dominion on behalf of God as a deputy authority.
This is what God wanted. So He rests.
The pattern that was put forth was for our sake that we get a day of rest
instead being worked 7 days a week every week.
Kelly
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Why do you assume God needed to rest?
The pattern that was put forth was for our sake that we get a day of rest
instead being worked 7 days a week every week.
I didn't use the word "needed". This may be a fine point of whether God needed to rest or didn't need to rest. Remember how the Apostle Paul said in Romans that he spoke in human terms ?
It says He rested from all His work.
Most people seem to take it as work seven days and then rest.
I regard the meaning more like this - we people of God START by resting. [EDITED] Well, very close. Man was made on the sixth day and the next day was a day of rest. Am I right ?
So you might say that man's first full day started as a day of rest.
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"Stees, use of the word "rest" in the Hebrew of the Old Testament utilizes a figure of speech known as an anthropomorphism* (or language of accommodation); which ascribes human actions to something not human (in this instance to God). Purpose of its usage is to enable human beings to understand what took place in Eternity Past.
In context the meaning simply conveys the fact that when the work was completed, He was satisfied with what had been accomplished or created, so there was a cessation of that particular activity of deity (similar to us and our behavior at the end of a work week). "TGIF". "Enjoy your weekend; you need some quality downtime". [Though He doesn't get tired]
Time didn't apply until the human race began. In Eternity Past (and Future) a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day: though Creation was accomplished in an orderly sequence, 'time' taken would approximate an infinitesimal fraction of a nano second. All things were created by the Word of His Power and are maintained/held together the same way. Nothing will destroy Planet Earth (appointed habitation of the human species) before the perfect timing of His perfect plan."
*Anthropomorphism meaning "the attribution of human characteristics or behavior to a god, animal, or object." (page one)
05 Oct 13
Originally posted by sonshipI know it says He rested, that does not mean He needed too. What that didWhy do you assume God needed to rest?
The pattern that was put forth was for our sake that we get a day of rest
instead being worked 7 days a week every week.
I didn't use the word "needed". This may be a fine point of whether God needed to rest or didn't need to rest. Remember how the Apostle Paul said in Romans that he spoke in hu ...[text shortened]... of rest. Am I right ?
So you might say that man's first full day started as a day of rest.
was set a pattern for us, which I why I think He did it. I also believe that
another reason that He rested was He made all that what was required, to
do what He wanted to do, with all the life He made.
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Originally posted by KellyJayIt was a step forward in labor law. (Seriously.)
Why do you assume God needed to rest?
The pattern that was put forth was for our sake that we get a day of rest
instead being worked 7 days a week every week.
Kelly
Just as "an eye for an eye" was a step forward in penal law, as it actually called for restraint in an era of escalating blood feuds.
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Originally posted by sonshipReally? Why is the word rest used instead of the word for satisfaction? The Hebrew word used is 'shabath' which appears 71 times in the OT, and at no point does the word have any relation to 'satisfaction' as far as I can ascertain. Unless of course you know differently?!But why does a 'spirit' need to rest? Rest and sleep is needed in humans, and countless other animals, for the skeletal, nervous, immune and muscular systems to grow and rejuvenate, yet surely a spirit is not material?!
The rest there has to do with satisfaction. It is not the rest of recovering from strenuous physical activity or stre ...[text shortened]... od's dominion on behalf of God as a deputy authority.
This is what God wanted. So He rests.
05 Oct 13
Originally posted by Great Big SteesIn this context it means a period of time after He stopped creating things. For that period of time He looked over his creation and saw that it was good. It's intended to serve as a template for us. He expects us to work for a period of time, and then rest for a period of time.
Did God rest on the seventh day. He/She doesn't sleep or eat or...well all He/She really does is...what, watch us?
If you think of the important role fathers play in families it's easier to understand how God looks at and regards all of us. Everything in this reality is set up so we are able to understand Him, or at least get a glimpse of Him and hopefully understand His purpose for us. This reality is a classroom and a playground for us compared to what comes next.
By the way, the "God is a He or a She" speculation is annoying. God is not a human, and He is not male or female. Anyone (atheists included) should be able to figure that much out.