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    @divegeester

    Lee formed a cult, Nee didn’t.

    Simple.


    Its simple alright. Watch how simple it is.

    Which book by Watchman Nee did you read through at least 80% to the last page ?
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    @sonship said
    @divegeester

    Lee formed a cult, Nee didn’t.

    Simple.


    Its simple alright. Watch how simple it is.

    Which book by Watchman Nee did you read through at least 80% to the last page ?
    Why do you ask?

    And if I name one what will you do with the information?

    There are at least 2 by the way.
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    I could go for some mélange right about now.
    Take Whodey with you for an exchange of ideas on how to be glib.
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    There are at least 2 by the way.


    Are you bluffing me or did you take the time to quickly read through something?
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    @sonship said
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    There are at least 2 by the way.


    Are you bluffing me or did you take the time to quickly read through something?
    I’ve read at least two of watchman nee’s books.
    Some years ago.

    What’s your problem?
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    @divegeester

    What’s your problem?


    The only problem is believing you when it appears like evasion.
    The question was WHICH book by Watchman Nee have you read 80% to the last page.

    I still don't see a name.
    Did you think I would shrug at your generalities and assume you read Nee?

    The problem with telling me WHICH book/s is ___________? (80% to the last page)
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    @sonship said
    @divegeester

    What’s your problem?


    The only problem is believing you when it appears like evasion.
    The question was WHICH book by Watchman Nee have you read 80% to the last page.

    I still don't see a name.
    Did you think I would shrug at your generalities and assume you read Nee?

    The problem with telling me WHICH book/s is ___________? (80% to the last page)
    What has me giving you the titles of 2 books I have read got to do with anything about you being a member of the Lee cult?

    How will me giving you the names of these books be in anyway evidence that I have actually read them?

    Why do you even want to know if I’ve read any of Nee’s books?
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    @divegeester

    What has me giving you the titles of 2 books I have read got to do with anything about you being a member of the Lee cult?


    It has to do with, just because you say "cult. cult, cult" doesn't mean anything. Especially, your "say so" is worthless when you are unfamiliar with what Watchman Nee spoke and accomplish and HOW he was similarly criticized.

    In fact that is one reason why the Communists put him in prison for 20 years. They accused him of tax evasion and attempted to force all the co-workers loyal to him to renounce him. Essentially, the Communists denounced Watchman Nee as some kind of counter-revolutionary cult hero.

    And the Western missionaries who could not stand the thought that Christian ministers from the West had something to learn from this young Chinese native whom God had secured for Himself, condemned him.

    No missionaries invited him to speak. Why? Because of essentially the gossip you have embedded and regurgitate mindlessly here - he was starting a cult.

    The Brethren assemblies invited him to join them. But he educated them that there should only be a city wide assembly - a city wide church. The Brethren did start to see the errors of denominationalism. However they carried over the practice of having more than one church per city.

    So Watchman Nee in good conscience could not join the Brethren.
    Witness Lee met with the Brethren for seven years. He eventually saw the light and became Nee's closest colleague in the Lord's recovery moving in China.

    Before they shut up Watchman Nee in prison, Nee insisted that Witness Lee LEAVE China mainland. Witness did not want to. He wanted to remain there to be martyred along with his senior worker and the other co-workers. But Nee told him that it was possible that what God had shown them would be lost completely under the Communist revolution. He said if Witness left China they would still have something should the Communist wipe out completely the local churches.

    So Watchman Nee and other co-workers following his leadership, urged Witness Lee to leave the mainland. He went to Taiwan. And God kept blessing the light filled ministry. Eventually, God brought him to the USA.


    How will me giving you the names of these books be in anyway evidence that I have actually read them?


    It is not. But it could be evidence that you have not. And that may be the reason why you are reluctant to forward the information.

    So "cult, cult, cult" you continue to write as if your mere "say so" carries some weight.

    Plus, your definition of cult when I asked was non-applicable. As I showed that appreciation is not veneration.

    But you're stubborn and want to cling to the accusation that appreciation of Witness Lee is veneration and bestowing Catholic like "sainthood" on Lee.

    One more petty little grumbler will not halt the Lord's moving. So do your best.


    Why do you even want to know if I’ve read any of Nee’s books?


    Why do you want to evade the matter if you're so sure you know all about it ... Ie. "Nee didn't start a cult but Lee did."

    I assume then your reluctance is your evasion and attempt to not be exposed. That is exposed as to how ignorant you actually are of the history and content of the ministry of these two men.
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    @sonship said
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    What has me giving you the titles of 2 books I have read got to do with anything about you being a member of the Lee cult?


    It has to do with, just because you say "cult. cult, cult" doesn't mean anything. Especially, your "say so" is worthless when you are unfamiliar with what Watchman Nee spoke and accomplish and HOW he was similarly criti ...[text shortened]... sed as to how ignorant you actually are of the history and content of the ministry of these two men.
    What has all this got to do with whether or not I've read "80%" of a Nee book?
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    I want to talk with someone sober minded.
    You're not sober minded about this imo.

    They do not have to agree with everything I write. But I want them to be clear minded and soberminded. I am beginning to doubt that you are.

    And I doubt that you speak honestly about what you have read.
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    Just keep affirming "cult, cult, cult". That is really all you have Divegeester.

    But you better find a better definition of the word if you want to use it for your accusation towards the local churches.

    Appreciation is not worship necessarily. The New Testament tells the Christians to hold faithful workers in high esteem.
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    @sonship said
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    I want to talk with someone sober minded.
    You're not sober minded about this imo.
    They do not have to agree with everything I write. But I want them to be clear minded and soberminded. I am beginning to doubt that you are.
    And I doubt that you speak honestly about what you have read.
    Are you going to troll me about my "barren wife" next?
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    I've read:

    Sit, Walk Stand and the Normal Christian life. Both about 20 years ago.

    So what??
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    @divegeester

    Are you going to troll me about my "barren wife" next?


    I have not the slightest idea of the meaning of the "barren wife" reference. If you are confusing me with some other poster, that's not my fault.
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