Originally posted by robbie carrobieBecause almost invariably when I do, it makes you fumble, dissemble, contradict yourself, lash out, disappear, portray yourself as persecuted, or try to blame others for the contortions the glaring discrepancies seem to make you go through, all of which I find revealing and very interesting.
why are you continually asking me to comment on the Gmans perspective? weird.
Personally, I think the reasons for your trademark reactions and gambits are not spiritual but psychological. I think the way this all plays itself out, thread after thread, is an interesting insight into the JW mind set.
It therefore constitutes an interesting dimension to the ongoing forum drama of you, the self-declared independent "spiritual" individual, entangled in - and seemingly deafened by - the frequent cognitive dissonance of your groupist obligations.
Originally posted by googlefudgeThe mere fact that you think you have it all figured out makes you deluded.
This argument is pretty stupid because you are making it to me.
(know your audience)
Which means you are going to be hit with this response.
ADAM AND EVE ARE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS FROM A FAIRY TALE AND NEVER EXISTED.
Not 6,000 years ago or 600,000 years ago.
The roots of civilisation trace back at least 10,000 years and humanity itself severa ...[text shortened]... r callous disregard for in your estimation 7,000 years of human suffering has
been duly noted.
Originally posted by FMFand yet its the best you can do, to make people stumble. Good luck with that.
Because almost invariably when I do, it makes you fumble, dissemble, contradict yourself, lash out, disappear, portray yourself as persecuted, or try to blame others for the contortions the glaring discrepancies seem to make you go through, all of which I find revealing and very interesting.
Personally, I think the reasons for your trademark reactions and ga ...[text shortened]... - and seemingly deafened by - the frequent cognitive dissonance of your groupist obligations.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt's rather more than simply making you stumble, robbie. It's shedding light on your beliefs and how they affect your behaviour. Beliefs and its effect on behaviour: this is what "spirituality" is about, in practical terms, I think. I don't claim that my interactions with you are 'the best I can do', but I do think they form at least worthy contribution to the discussion and debate that goes on here, the ones you and galveston75 start in particular.
and yet its the best you can do, to make people stumble. Good luck with that.
Originally posted by FMFPlease stay away from me on this site I realy have nothing i want to say to you and you have nothing of value to impart to me.
It's rather more than simply making you stumble, robbie. It's shedding light on your beliefs and how they affect your behaviour. Beliefs and its effect on behaviour: this is what "spirituality" is about, in practical terms, I think. I don't claim that my interactions with you are 'the best I can do', but I do think they form at least worthy contribution to the discussion and debate that goes on here, the ones you and galveston75 start in particular.
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Originally posted by Rajk999Where did I say that I have "it ALL figured out"?
The mere fact that you think you have it all figured out makes you deluded.
The fact that I know (science knows) that the childish creation story of the bible is wrong
does not require much knowledge at all, let alone needing to claim to know everything.
And still doesn't deal with my point that starting your argument by having as a premise
something I reject is pointless and stupid.
You KNOW I don't believe in your religion, so arguments that start by assuming it is true
are going to fail.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhich is pretty much what the entirety of the rest of humanity feels about JW's coming to their doors.
Please stay away from me on this site I realy have nothing i want to say to you and you have nothing of value to impart to me.
You are really in no position to talk.
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Originally posted by googlefudgereally you speak on the behalf of humanity now, tell the forumn what experience you have of the way people react to Jehovahs witnesses Mr Big.
Which is pretty much what the entirety of the rest of humanity feels about JW's coming to their doors.
You are really in no position to talk.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell I have let you know how your behaviour comes across to some people, and certainly to me. That must be of some value to you, surely, even if only by making you more confident - by way of you having the opportunity to consider my depiction and then reject it as inaccurate, if needs be. Judging by your discomfort, I seem to have got a little too close to the heart of the matter with my analysis, but I bear you no personal ill will, robbie, as you well know.
Please stay away from me on this site I realy have nothing i want to say to you and you have nothing of value to impart to me.
Originally posted by FMFWow all the round and round and round silly questions over and over and over again.
Well I have let you know how your behaviour comes across to some people, and certainly to me. That must be of some value to you, surely, even if only by making you more confident - by way of you having the opportunity to consider my depiction and then reject it as inaccurate, if needs be. Judging by your discomfort, I seem to have got a little too close to the h ...[text shortened]... t of the matter with my analysis, but I bear you no personal ill will, robbie, as you well know.
It seems to me your only purpose here is to do just that with the full intention of just trying to get anyone you can to slip up on any subject.
What is the purpose of this exactly? Does it make you sleep better at night? Do you get off on it? Does it make you a better person?
Just exactly what is your angle here? What are you up too?
Originally posted by galveston75As I said, the angle is 'beliefs and its effect on behaviour'. This is what "spirituality" is about I think. Perhaps you disagree. You and robbie believe what you do and you behave as you do. And you do so in public and therefore invite comment and debate on what you say and do. Discussion of these things belongs on this forum, surely.
What is the purpose of this exactly? Does it make you sleep better at night? Do you get off on it? Does it make you a better person? Just exactly what is your angle here? What are you up too?
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Originally posted by googlefudgePoint taken. On the problem of evil. the arguments deal with conflicts within the claims of theism. On other subjects like the age of the Earth, they deal with conflicts between the claims of theism and science.
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I would have no trouble living in a world with no evil, or of working towards that goal.
The point is that if a god exists then they should have the ability to make that world a
reality and have done so yesterday (so to speak).
My ideal society (as I currently envision it) would probably look like Ian M. Banks' fictional
Utopia "The Cult only place big enough for new countries, worlds, and civilisations to be formed and grow.