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Originally posted by galveston75The problem is not that we can't see that there are things that are bad and/or wrong with today's
Well, do you all feel better? Did you all have fun with your "Bash a JW day? Are you all fat with happeness?
Good and so glad you are all so content now.
Sooooo anymore comments of the thread "Worlds problems? Probably not I would guess as most here feel all is rosey and going well..........
world.
The problem is that we can see the blindingly obvious that for the majority today (at least in the
developed world) life is vastly better (longer healthier safer) than it was at almost any time in the
past.
You on the other hand want to make out that it's worse, so that you can claim your 'prophecy' has
been fulfilled and that (you hope) JC can come back and kill almost everyone.
Something you are apparently looking forward to and rooting for.
We on the other hand do recognise the things wrong with the world (whilst also recognising all the
progress that has been made so far) and want to do something to change them to make them better.
Rather than cheering and saying "everything is terrible thus JC is going to come and kill all of you, isn't
that great!"
Even if a giant asteroid appeared in the sky heading for us, or a cataclysmic volcanic eruption started it
still wouldn't mean that your particular religions doomsday predictions were right or even relevant.
We live in a dangerous world/universe that will at some point snuff us out and all we can do is use our
wits and technology to push that point as far into the future as possible.
To that end you are not helping.
Only accurate information and beliefs have utility and you are not only peddling inaccurate beliefs but are
attacking the only known method of gaining accurate beliefs about the world. [science for those not
keeping up]
Whilst life is for the majority better now than ever before there are bad things and people in the world,
and we are doing damage to the world.
We need to fix that.
Not say "hooray the apocalypse is coming! All you people who don't hold the correct irrational beliefs are going
to burn! Three cheers for the sky bully!"
Originally posted by galveston75Thing is the JW's come to our homes and try to tell us how it is. It is not even a conversation as such because I thought I conversation involved two people exchanging ideas, whereas JW's are clearly not open to any diversion from their dogma at all.
Well, do you all feel better? Did you all have fun with your "Bash a JW day? Are you all fat with happeness?
Good and so glad you are all so content now.
Sooooo anymore comments of the thread "Worlds problems? Probably not I would guess as most here feel all is rosey and going well..........
If you come to our homes and tell us how it is (or in this case, to the s forum) , then you should be able to take what you give.
That's the way I see it.
It's not "Bash a JW day" at all, amd I dont think your a liar either, if that makes any difference to you 🙂
Originally posted by googlefudge"We need to fix that."
The problem is not that we can't see that there are things that are bad and/or wrong with today's
world.
The problem is that we can see the blindingly obvious that for the majority today (at least in the
developed world) life is vastly better (longer healthier safer) than it was at almost any time in the
past.
You on the other hand want to ma ...[text shortened]... the correct irrational beliefs are going
to burn! Three cheers for the sky bully!"
How and by whom is the fix going to be done? Why should there even be a fix if man has the answers? What has got us to this point that we need to "fix" it?
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Originally posted by karoly aczelWell that's not true. I've been to many doors that I really never even got to speak and just had to listen. And that's ok.
Thing is the JW's come to our homes and try to tell us how it is. It is not even a conversation as such because I thought I conversation involved two people exchanging ideas, whereas JW's are clearly not open to any diversion from their dogma at all.
If you come to our homes and tell us how it is (or in this case, to the s forum) , then you should b W day" at all, amd I dont think your a liar either, if that makes any difference to you 🙂
But the point is WE came to your door of our own time and expense and that is to share a message from God's word about his plans to make all of our futures better. If the person at the door is not interested, that is their option. We are not there to make anyone do something they don't want to do.
And the point is we did not come there looking for some new religion to convert too. If that were the case why would be we be at your door? We'd simply go to another church.
So if one does not want to listen, that is fine, but we have millions of doors to get too. So if the person at the door is wanting to spend more time then we feel is needed to share this with them, we move on.
Does that not make sense?
And thanks for respecting that I am not a liar on this. I've never lied to anyone here about anything...
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Originally posted by galveston75Yes, I see your point but do you understand what I'm trying to get at?
Well that's not true. I've been to many doors that I really never even got to speak and just had to listen. And that's ok.
But the point is WE came to your door of our own time and expense and that is to share a message from God's word about his plans to make all of our futures better. If the person at the door is not interested, that is their option. respecting that I am not a liar on this. I've never lied to anyone here about anything...
Some spiritual people go about their business and dont spread their message unless asked.
The JW's however, come and engage (or try to engage ) with others to put forward their 'philosophy'. (If you dont like that word I can use a different one like "message" or something like that).
So if you actively tell people what you think to be true then they have the right of reply - and sometimes they do not like the replies.
I respect everyone's right to privacy and solitude and their own beliefs, but when you actively try to share your beliefs with others, then you are fair game for a similar response. ok?
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Originally posted by galveston75I think you JWs just like to think that you are hated and persecuted, because it makes you feel that you are fulfilling the prophecy by Christ that his disciples will be persecuted.
I am simple sinful man.
And you are wrong about the name Jehovah. It's because of our use of that name we are hated throughout the world. That name causes to many contradictions with all other religions and that in turn causes the hate they have and will grow even more into the future.
What you as a JW experience is simply a disagreement between people who have different doctrines and beliefs, and inevitably voices will be raised and tempers might flare. For you to call that hatred means that you do not understand the English Language.
Hatred is what JWs show to ex-JWs by excommunicating them and asking others to do the same even family members .. that's hatred.
Hatred is what many who claim to be Christians show to gays and lesbians.
Hatred is the last look you see on face of the JW when you tell them " ..I would rather if you people don't return to this house as we are not interested in your corrupted doctrine and your false prophesies .. thank you"
Just a couple examples that you might understand.
Originally posted by karoly aczelI do understand completely in what you are saying. And believe me in that we have heard and seen and even felt physically the responce from people at the doors. At times not pleasent and can really even be scary or dangerous.
Yes, I see your point but do you understand what I'm trying to get at?
Some spiritual people go about their business and dont spread their message unless asked.
The JW's however, come and engage (or try to engage ) with others to put forward their 'philosophy'. (If you dont like that word I can use a different one like "message" or something like th ...[text shortened]... ry to share your beliefs with others, then you are fair game for a similar response. ok?
But.....it's to be expected and it's just what Jesus said would happen. Many have been put to death for this but until Jesus tells us to stop, we will continue.
The point that most miss here with what we do is we deeply and very honestly believe, just a Jesus said, that this is a life saving work.
We are not perfect and have made mistakes in our feelings of ergency but we are truly trying to show how bad this world really is but that there is a true hope that only God can fix. It's not that there aren't humans that don't care and want to fix it. But there is too much against these humans to ever accomplish that and as long as Satan is around, it will never happen.
We can see from the signs and descriptions of Jesus that we are in a time period that just cannot last much longer. And all we want is to find and help as many people on this planet to see that too and hopefully they will come to know that God is the only way this will be accomplished.
Originally posted by Rajk999And thank you so much for your wise spiritual guidance.....
I think you JWs just like to think that you are hated and persecuted, because it makes you feel that you are fulfilling the prophecy by Christ that his disciples will be persecuted.
What you as a JW experience is simply a disagreement between people who have different doctrines and beliefs, and inevitably voices will be raised and tempers might flare. Fo ...[text shortened]... your false prophesies .. thank you[/i]"
Just a couple examples that you might understand.
Originally posted by galveston75Well, you do help some. But lets be realistic - your organization is always only going to be pretty limited.
I do understand completely in what you are saying. And believe me in that we have heard and seen and even felt physically the responce from people at the doors. At times not pleasent and can really even be scary or dangerous.
But.....it's to be expected and it's just what Jesus said would happen. Many have been put to death for this but until Jesus tel ...[text shortened]... oo and hopefully they will come to know that God is the only way this will be accomplished.
When I had my first bible lesson from a JW, I quickly realized that it was more for his benefit than mine.
He tried again but by then I could not contain myself any longer and I dont think he wished to visit me anymore.
After all, he got past square 1 and actually got in a bible lesson where all the others had failed in the past.
In all I would say I have had about 20-25 house calls from JW's.
I cant help but think they are just trying to earn "brownie points" rather than actually teach anything.
This "bible lesson" was the most basic and simple bible instruction that I had come across so many times from christians and JW's alike ie "Jesus is our saviour" or something like that.
wouldn't it be nice to have real conversations when you visit people and really share ideas and admit the fact that the majority of people alive on the planet now know very little or nothing about God.
Couldn't they point out some more interesting bible points?
No. Because there dont seem to be any.
Look , I dont want to diss your faith. If it works for you then thats great. Stick with it. But the simple truth is (I am repeating myself) is that 99.99% of people on the Earth at this time know jack about God -JW's included.
If you got a bit less literal and a bit more open in your endevour to find God then maybe we could both learn something, instead of some guy coming over to give bible lessons that mean nothing to either of us except some brownie points for him
Originally posted by karoly aczelHummm brownie points? And what exactly do you think that is in reguards to us? I've never heard the term with connection to our going to anyones door but I'd like to know why you think we earn brownie points and what that is?
Well, you do help some. But lets be realistic - your organization is always only going to be pretty limited.
When I had my first bible lesson from a JW, I quickly realized that it was more for his benefit than mine.
He tried again but by then I could not contain myself any longer and I dont think he wished to visit me anymore.
After all, he got ...[text shortened]... ve bible lessons that mean nothing to either of us except some brownie points for him
Maybe your getting us confused with the Mormons?