Originally posted by jaywillyes its different, but for you to establish the trinity it is necessary for you to close your eyes to a plethora of biblical scriptures and precedents, it was of course unknown to the Jews, unknown to Christ and Paul. The best that you people can hope to state is that it is inferred from the Bible, but then again so is the second coming of the Beetles.
[b]Proof is different from persuasion. You were unpersuaded. But proof was provided to you that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God.
A rehash of the same proofs with the same person again and again is a waste of time and labor.
You remain unpersuaded. That is your choice. But biblical support for the Triune God was proved.[/b]
Originally posted by FabianFnaswhat did Christ state in the scripture Fabian?
I'm happy to know that your feud stopps here and now. No more verbal outbursts, no personal attacks, no more juvenile behaviour. That's good. Then we can be going somewhere.
Back to the questions. The jews are not the people of god anymore, if I understand your answer correctly. They are just headens, as any other unbeliever?
By the way, when you qu ...[text shortened]... ion do you use?
(See, friendly friendly... With friendlyness we can get along quite well.)
67.Believe in ghosts or talk about them. (Jehovah's Witnesses believe the dead are in a unconscious state awaiting a resurrection after armageddon. Therefore communication with ghosts may in fact be communication with evil Satanic spirits.)
The dead are dead and do not come back as ghost. Eccl 9:5, 10.
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69.Celebrate New Years Eve
70.Celebrate Easter
71.Celebrate Mother's Day
72.Celebrate Father's Day
73.Celebrate birthdays
74.Celebrate Thanksgiving
75.Celebrate Flag Day
76.Celebrate Independence Day or any National Holiday
77.Celebrate Saint Patrick's Day
78.Celebrate Valentine's Day
79.Celebrate Halloween
80.Celebrate Hanukkah
If the holiday is paganistic or has patriotic origins, we don't partake in them. The Bible is very clear on the only yearly celibation we attend. That is the memorial of Christ death. Matt 26.
How am I doing so far Fabin?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHe stated that the Jews were wrong...? Therefore they are inferior to christians? That they are all sinners and should all die? Perhaps in the gas ovens some two thousands years later? And noone can save them because they are unbelievers?
what did Christ state in the scripture Fabian?
No, I don't know what he said, he said so much.
So who is the people of god? Jews or christians?
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Originally posted by FabianFnashe stated that 'the chief corner stone', would be rejected. who or what is the chief cornerstone? what indeed is the significance of a corner stone? why was it rejected, what were the consequences for the Jews for this rejection? who indeed constitute the nation that would be given the privilege of the Kingdom? what are the fruits that this 'nation', would display?
He stated that the Jews were wrong...? Therefore they are inferior to christians? That they are all sinners and should all die? Perhaps in the gas ovens some two thousands years later? And noone can save them because they are unbelievers?
No, I don't know what he said, he said so much.
So who is the people of god? Jews or christians?
until one can answer these questions, all else shall be hazy, will it not?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo because the jews rejected this cornerstone, then they are not the people of god anymore? Therefore they are inferior to christians? That they are all sinners and should all die? Perhaps in the gas ovens some two thousands years later? And noone can save them because they are unbelievers?
he stated that 'the chief corner stone', would be rejected. who or what is the chief cornerstone? what indeed is the significance of a corner stone? why was it rejected, what were the consequences for the Jews for this rejection? who indeed constitute the nation that would be given the privilege of the Kingdom? what are the fruits that this 'nati ...[text shortened]... ould display?
until one can answer these questions, all else shall be hazy, will it not?
(Yes, I repeat myself, because you chosed to avoid to read the questions asked in the last posting.)
My question is: Are the jews no longer people of god?
(Now I'm very clear in the question. A simple yes or no will be enough, but the follow-up questions still stand.)
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Originally posted by FabianFnasi actually rejected answering the first part of your post as i suspected that it was sarcasm. These assertions have no basis in reality other than your own mind, if you think that Christians in themselves are superior to Jews then i doubt that i shall be able to change your mind. If you think that all Jews should die in the Nazi concentration camps 2000 years later as a consequence of rejecting the Christ? is that a reality for you? I suspect that you are trying to project our own thoughts, if so, please refrain, it is dangerous to impute beliefs to others which they do not hold and a waste of time and energy trying to refuting what we dont actually profess in the first place.
So because the jews rejected this cornerstone, then they are not the people of god anymore? Therefore they are inferior to christians? That they are all sinners and should all die? Perhaps in the gas ovens some two thousands years later? And noone can save them because they are unbelievers?
(Yes, I repeat myself, because you chosed to avoid to read the r in the question. A simple yes or no will be enough, but the follow-up questions still stand.)
we are in the business of providing reasons for people, if they cannot understand the reasons behind something then how shall they grasp it? i have chosen, rather than simply giving you an answer, a series of questions, to make you think, with your own powers of reasons, about the scripture, in order that you may come to a conclusion yourself. It is termed the art of teaching. These things are not easy to fathom without knowledge of other parts of scripture and for someone who has not studied scripture it would be difficult indeed to grasp the whole and its constituent parts, never the less, you should be made to think, not simply spoon fed an answer. Hopefully you shall make an evaluation of the scripture for yourself.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat was a lengthly answer to a simple question. But it's better than nothing.
i actually rejected answering the first part of your post as i suspected that it was sarcasm. These assertions have no basis in reality other than your own mind, if you think that Christians in themselves are superior to Jews then i doubt that i shall be able to change your mind. If you think that all Jews should die in the Nazi concentration camps ...[text shortened]... mply spoon fed an answer. Hopefully you shall make an evaluation of the scripture for yourself.
You're implication that I project my own thoughts in the question, you're wrong. What I did, was to put it in black or white in somewhat provocative wordings so you couldn't avoid the question. But you did it anyway, once, but happily not twice.
Of one of my questions, I still cannot find the answer:
"Are the jews the people of god, according to you?"
No provocation, no hidden retoric behind, just a plain simple question, nothing more, easy to answer. Don't avoid the answer, just a simple 'yes' or 'no' is enough.
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Originally posted by FabianFnasJWs dont answer these questions directly Fabian. THey know that their beliefs are ridiculous and stupid so they dance you around hoping to tie you up in their convoluted explanations. So let me assist here.
That was a lengthly answer to a simple question. But it's better than nothing.
You're implication that I project my own thoughts in the question, you're wrong. What I did, was to put it in black or white in somewhat provocative wordings so you couldn't avoid the question. But you did it anyway, once, but happily not twice.
Of one of my questions, I more, easy to answer. Don't avoid the answer, just a simple 'yes' or 'no' is enough.
The JWs believe that the Jews are no longer Gods people as stated in the Bible. They misinterpret a verse by Paul to mean that the new Jews are actually the members of the JW faith. In fact the 144,000 Jews, which are 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel are JWs .. 🙂.
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Originally posted by Rajk999hey Rajk999, no need to adhere to this sort of rhetorics. Yeah, I also find certain JW do's and dont's irrational or even hypocritical (can expand on that if needed) but some I'm fine with, but it's their belief, why not just respect it. Don't think this forum has been designed to have a go at people holding different views. I'm not a fan of any organised (dogmatised, stigmatised etc) religion, but I also believe that the whole idea of evolution is a load of tosh and those people are seriously deluded!
JWs dont answer these questions directly Fabian. They know that their beliefs are ridiculous and stupid..
p.s. Fab, 'rhetoric' is spelt with 'h' 😉