Originally posted by stellspalfieWow, and you people claim that Christians have twisted ideas. But, there is no twisting like those twisting in the wind.
I agree with googlefudge. all capital punishment is murder.
but just for the hell of it lets pretend I don't think its murder. a judge usually would only hand out the judgement of death in very extreme cases such as murder.
what are the conditions that your god hands out death? would you consider them to be as extreme as murder? is not believing in god the same as committing murder in gods eyes?
God has already told us that "the wages of sin are death". Period.
And Christ came to remove ALL sin, so we really have no excuse.
Originally posted by SuzianneWhen all you have is faith, you think you don't need proof. All you have is faith and nothing more. Faith will not get you into ANYTHING. All it does is shore up your ego/mind till you reach that big divide when you die.
I think you have a rather small idea of most Christians. Granted, some of them are so full of themselves that I can't stand talking to them for more than five minutes. But I do not think that most stand around all the time thinking "wow, I can't wait to be rewarded and to watch all these poor slobs burn".
A LOT of humans are like the ones in your post. ...[text shortened]... believe, not to believe AFTER seeing proof. That's not true belief, it's just acknowledgement.
I suppose that can be a good thing, shoring up a person's fears.
Originally posted by stellspalfieYou and googlefudge have warped minds. It is liberal people like you that continue to cause our society to be all screwed up.
I agree with googlefudge. all capital punishment is murder.
but just for the hell of it lets pretend I don't think its murder. a judge usually would only hand out the judgement of death in very extreme cases such as murder.
what are the conditions that your god hands out death? would you consider them to be as extreme as murder? is not believing in god the same as committing murder in gods eyes?
Say you die and go to heaven. And you meet God. And God tells you about people like me and googlefudge and stellspalfie. How we are atheists, and frequently "ridicule" theists, have never believed in god eventhough people like you have told us about god and such.
And god says to you: "RJ, if it were up to me, I would toss these guys in hell for all eternity and you and me and the rest of the righteous people who are now in heaven will have a wonderful time in eternity. But you know what, because you've lived such a good and wholesome life I'm going to let you decide. Toss them in hell, or keep them here with the rest of us. Your choice, old friend."
What do you choose?
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Originally posted by Suziannetwisted? really, in what way is it twisted. I believe people should be rehabilitated, fixed. killing people as a form of punishment is barbaric. its the opposite to twisted, its moral.
Wow, and you people claim that Christians have twisted ideas. But, there is no twisting like those twisting in the wind.
God has already told us that "the wages of sin are death". Period.
And Christ came to remove ALL sin, so we really have no excuse.
yes the sin = death. pretty fkng vague though isn't it? is that all sins? or does it depend on which sin? each Christian has a different opinion on what is a sin, you think your man would be a little bit more clearer with his rules considering what's at stake.
I still don't 'get' Christ removing all sin. can you explain it? did he remove all sin for all time? or just the sin up to the point he died? what was the point if people still sin now? if he removed it why are we being judged for our sins?
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Originally posted by RJHindsits the liberals who keep the planet balanced. too many right wing nuts and you get American, too many left wing nuts and you get North Korea.
You and googlefudge have warped minds. It is liberal people like you that continue to cause our society to be all screwed up.
oh if you haven't answered great king rats question yet about our death. id like to point out I make a nice pie and do really good cuddles.
Originally posted by Great King RatGet it over. Toss 'em.
Say you die and go to heaven. And you meet God. And God tells you about people like me and googlefudge and stellspalfie. How we are atheists, and frequently "ridicule" theists, have never believed in god eventhough people like you have told us about god and such.
And god says to you: "RJ, if it were up to me, I would toss these guys in hell for all ...[text shortened]... in hell, or keep them here with the rest of us. Your choice, old friend."
What do you choose?
Originally posted by googlefudgeSad, yes because none need go there, but they are.
Sad!?!
Is that all you can say?
An ETERNITY of suffering and pain for millions (billions) of people,
some of whom you know and love... And all you can say is it's SAD!?!
Seriously?
I know if I spent time on it, I could come up with other words to describe
it, but sad was the one I choose when I wrote it.
Kelly
Originally posted by Great King RatThe crime is sin, the forgiveness is where belief is found. You have it a$$
So, when god does not - as GB and RJH believe - have a Men In Black type of memory eraser and you end up in heaven knowing what is happening to fairly decent people whose worst crime on earth was to not believe (eternal torture), I assume you cannot possibly be completely happy, right?
I'm trying to understand how religious people view these matters, which I find rather important.
backwards when it comes to why people are going to be condemned, they
are going to be condemn for what they did and didn't do. They miss the
forgiveness offered through lack of belief.
Belief leads to forgiveness, sin leads to condemnation and death.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayyou say its sad because they didn't need to be there, rather than its sad because they are suffering. implying that your morality is based more on the value you place on peoples decision making rather than the value you place on other peoples feelings and emotions.
Sad, yes because none need go there, but they are.
I know if I spent time on it, I could come up with other words to describe
it, but sad was the one I choose when I wrote it.
Kelly
