Youngest age to burn in hell?

Originally posted by Great King Rat
Do you agree with GB and RJH that you will forget about those people once you get to heaven?

If you are asking me, I'm afraid I have to say I don't know to that either.
Either way is sad, to forget or to know.
Kelly

IIOriginally posted by RJHinds
I don't believe any of us deserve to be rewarded for living a life of sin. I have already admitted that I am a sinner deserving of death and hell. But if I am offered a resurrection to eternal life and heaven, I am not turning it down. How about you?

The offer of resurrection to eternal life is dependent upon you doing certain things. Failure to do that will result in resurrection to punishment.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
(Revelation 22:13-16 KJV)

Note carefully that contrary to the false doctrines propagated around here that people can sin wilfully and still get into Gods Kingdom, Christ says the opposite. Here again :

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (John 5:28-29 KJV)

Those that do good to resurrection of life otherwise death.

So be careful what false doctrines you follow.

Originally posted by Rajk999
The offer of resurrection to eternal life is dependent upon you doing certain things. Failure to do that will result in resurrection to punishment.

[i]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. [b]Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into ...[text shortened]... good to resurrection of life otherwise death.

So be careful what false doctrines you follow.

Like YOURS for instance. You who have NOTHING but words written down in an ancient plagiarized book rehashing older religions and now billions of poor duped individuals think they might go to some kind of hell or some kind of heaven.

Like a god, being as far above humans as to make ants and humans look equal would have any interest in condemning humans and humans only in some kind of heaven/hell scheme.

Just another example of religions made by men with little imagination and nothing but creative pithy sayings and stories carefully made up to control populations and coincidentally put women on a lower plane, as if a god would make such distinctions.

It is really sad those billions cannot see it for what it really is.

FAKE.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Like YOURS for instance. You who have NOTHING but words written down in an ancient plagiarized book rehashing older religions and now billions of poor duped individuals think they might go to some kind of hell or some kind of heaven.

Like a god, being as far above humans as to make ants and humans look equal would have any interest in condemning humans a ...[text shortened]... distinctions.

It is really sad those billions cannot see it for what it really is.

FAKE.

If you follow Christ and do good works you will be rewarded notwithstanding your disbelief.

Originally posted by KellyJay
If you are asking me, I'm afraid I have to say I don't know to that either.
Either way is sad, to forget or to know.
Kelly

Sad!?!

Is that all you can say?

An ETERNITY of suffering and pain for millions (billions) of people,
some of whom you know and love... And all you can say is it's SAD!?!


Seriously?

Originally posted by vivify
How long does a post need to be in order to answer this question? Isn't my question simple enough?

Okay.
I don't know.

Short enough for you ?

Originally posted by sonship
Okay.
[b] I don't know.

Short enough for you ?[/b]

So... How can you worship a being...

When you don't know if they torture children for all eternity or not?

Originally posted by googlefudge
So... How can you worship a being...

When you don't know if they torture children for all eternity or not?

I worship a God who went through what He went through that we could be saved.

I am very impressed with the life, person, words, deeds, death and resurrection of Jesus. No one and nothing compares to Jesus Christ.

If you have to be tormented forever that the new universe be filled with righteousness, it certainly is a tragic thing. But it is God's duty to inform His creatures that an existence without Him and opposed TO Him and against Him cannot be a pleasant one.

God communicates to man in terms that we can hardly miss, that such an existence cannot be a winning scenario.

Probably you'll be tortured by your own self hatred for rejecting such eternal love in Christ's offer of redemption.

Originally posted by KellyJay
If you are asking me, I'm afraid I have to say I don't know to that either.
Either way is sad, to forget or to know.
Kelly

So, when god does not - as GB and RJH believe - have a Men In Black type of memory eraser and you end up in heaven knowing what is happening to fairly decent people whose worst crime on earth was to not believe (eternal torture), I assume you cannot possibly be completely happy, right?

I'm trying to understand how religious people view these matters, which I find rather important.

Originally posted by Rajk999
If you follow Christ and do good works you will be rewarded notwithstanding your disbelief.

So prove it. Show me heaven. Show me hell. Call on your god to explain it to us non believers.

I think we should do good works because we are human and can SEE when someone is in trouble. I don't need to keep referring to a god figure to see the obvious.

One small example from my own life: My family and I were on vacation in Canada and came across a Canadian trucker with his truck on its side, not making a turn I guess. There was already a dozen people at the scene and I got out of our car and looked at the situation.

I saw there was a man stuck inside the cab which was on its side and he was curled up like a pretzel with the passenger seats pressed against him and he could not so much as move a finger he was so trapped inside.

I also saw fuel dripping from the fuel tank and in my mind that was a dangerous situation for the dude, if it had caught fire....

So there were these idiots gaping at the dude through his drivers window.

And doing NOTHING but staring at him.

I looked at that scene and just automatically started climbing up the side of the truck to get to him.

I never imagined exactly how large one of those trucks were lying on its side like that, it was like climbing up the side of a building.

So I got to an open window on top which was the passenger side window and was able to get my legs inside where I kicked out the window from the INSIDE so I would not get glass on the dude and started pulling debris away from him so he could move and he finally was able to exit the truck.

At no time did I have the slightest thought about the approval of some god are whether I was some step closer to some heavenly reward.

I did it because it frigging needed to be done. Pure and simple.

THAT is how we should view all such deeds. It just needs to be done and not even thinking of some heavenly reward.

Originally posted by sonhouse
So prove it. Show me heaven. Show me hell. Call on your god to explain it to us non believers.

I think we should do good works because we are human and can SEE when someone is in trouble. I don't need to keep referring to a god figure to see the obvious.

You are saying the same thing Im saying. The proof you require will come soon and when your reward comes you will be happy.

What is going to happen in the afterlife will happen whether or not you believe that there is one. Your opinion is of no significance.

Originally posted by sonship
I worship a God who went through what He went through that we could be saved.

I am very impressed with the life, person, words, deeds, death and resurrection of Jesus. No one and nothing compares to Jesus Christ.

If you have to be tormented forever that the new universe be filled with righteousness, it certainly is a tragic thing. But it is God' ...[text shortened]... ortured by your own self hatred for rejecting such eternal love in Christ's offer of redemption.

I worship a God who went through what He went through that we could be saved.

Saved?
Saved from what... Oh yes, gods punishment.
What for?
Our supposed distant ancestors breaking gods rules.
And how did god fix this?
By sending a version of himself down to earth, to be killed, which somehow atoned for 'crimes'
committed by someone else allowing god to be able to save some people from his own wrath...

Yeah, cos that makes sense.

I am unimpressed that god decided to self torture to allow itself to not torture everyone
for eternity... and only need torture those that didn't worship it enough.

I am very impressed with the life, person, words, deeds, death and resurrection of Jesus.
No one and nothing compares to Jesus Christ.

As fictional characters go... Harry potter was more impressive.

If you have to be tormented forever that the new universe be filled with righteousness, it
certainly is a tragic thing. But it is God's duty to inform His creatures that an existence without Him
and opposed TO Him and against Him cannot be a pleasant one.

THIS universe is billions of light years across. Their are hundreds of millions of potential habitable
Earth's just in this galaxy, and a billion billion galaxies in the universe... And that's just the bit of it
we can see.

And god and heaven apparently exist OUTSIDE of this universe.

So please explain why it is that god can't just leave those of us who neither believe in god, or need to,
in peace, and just send all his faithful worshippers to heaven, or just create a paradise somewhere
else in this universe. There is more than enough room...

Hell, he could move US to somewhere else (nice) if you're all attached to the earth.

Just build us a nice Banksian orbital around a nice stable G type star and we're sorted.
If god really doesn't want us around in heaven that much, just leave us here. We're fine without him.

There is, and can be, absolutely no justification at all whatsoever for an eternity of torture.
LEAST of all from a being as powerful and capable as your god who has so many other options.

God communicates to man in terms that we can hardly miss, that such an existence cannot be
a winning scenario.

That must be why so many people don't worship him... It's because it's so obvious he exists...

No wait...

There is no evidence of your gods existence, let alone evidence we can hardly miss.

Probably you'll be tortured by your own self hatred for rejecting such eternal love in Christ's offer
of redemption.

Yeah. No I would be perfectly happy never meeting your psychotic god.
And I have nothing I need redemption from him for, and nothing he could do to give me redemption.

-Removed-

And that's a bad thing?

What's so great about NEEDING a saviour?