Youngest age to burn in hell?

Saved?

Saved.

Saved from what... Oh yes, gods punishment.

God punishes man's transgression of His law.

What for?

Saved from your transgressions of the law.
Saved from the real guilt of what you did and what you said.

Our supposed distant ancestors breaking gods rules.

He doesn't hold you responsible for Adam's sin.
He holds you responsible for yours.

And how did god fix this?

Saved ... from the vanity of your mind in its labyrinth of reasonings to imagine you are in no need of salvation.

By sending a version of himself down to earth, to be killed, which somehow atoned for 'crimes'

Saved from your caricatures, excuses, hunting for divine faults, inventions of all kinds. Saved from all these into reality.

That is God's love and redemption of your soul accomplished in His Son.

committed by someone else allowing god to be able to save some people from his own wrath...

Saved from each day being enslaved to yet more excuses and more excuses and more excuses ... endlessly trying to convince yourself that there is nothing to this Bible message.

You're not getting any younger googlefudge. And you're still manufacturing reasons why you don't want God.

Do you have enough arguments yet?
Do you have enough reasons yet?
How many more do you need to convince yourself there is nothing to this Gospel ?

Yeah, cos that makes sense.

I am unimpressed that god decided to self torture to allow itself to not torture everyone

But you need even more good reasons to ignore the word of Christ. Better get busy on some back up reasons.

for eternity... and only need torture those that didn't worship it enough.

You sound tortured enough already. You sound very restless.
It must be true that "There is no rest for the wicked."

As fictional characters go... Harry potter was more impressive.

Doesn't that feel good now ? FSM, Univisible Pink Unicorn, Tooth Fairy, Harry Potter ... etc. etc.

That feels better .... for a little while anyway.

THIS universe is billions of light years across. Their are hundreds of millions of potential habitable Earth's just in this galaxy, and a billion billion galaxies in the universe... And that's just the bit of it
we can see.

I know. So what ?

"To the increase of His government and to His peace there is no end, Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom to establish it and uphold it in justice and righteousness from now to eternity. " (Isaiah 9:7a)

You're going to miss all the fun, poor fool.

" But according to His promise we are expecting new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells." (2 Peter 3:13)

And god and heaven apparently exist OUTSIDE of this universe.

He MAY enter into His creation. And that it what He did in the Son Jesus Christ. And that is what He is doing in now building up the New Jerusalem - God in man and man in God for His glory and man's enjoyment.

You're going to miss all the enjoyment.

Maybe like Daniel's three friends who took a walk in the furnace of fire, some of us will take a walk with Jesus through the heart of the sun just to see what goes on in there.

So please explain why it is that god can't just leave those of us who neither believe in god, or need to,

He will. That is what the lake of fire is - a place where you can be just left alone from God.

Don't blame God if He warns you that it will not be a good place. He is just being very faithfully honest to you.

Don't you think God knows ? He knows that you're not going to like it.
So He came to save us and He warns us.

in peace,

There is no peace without righteousness.
It is better to come to the Prince of Peace..

and just send all his faithful worshippers to heaven, or just create a paradise somewhere else in this universe. There is more than enough room...

What I read there was of not just heaven, but a new heaven and a new earth.

Best of all is God Himself. That is God Himself mingled with so many billions of people conformed to the image of Jesus Christ.

And every moment of Satan's torment will be another moment of happiness for those of us saved from his deception.

I have to go now.

"Thank you Lord that at least googlefudge has one more day to turn to you. Thank you Lord Jesus."

Originally posted by sonship

Saved?

Saved.

Saved from what... Oh yes, gods punishment.

God punishes man's transgression of His law.

What for?

Saved from your transgressions of the law.
Saved from the real guilt of what you did and what you said.

[quote]
Our supposed distant ancestors breaking gods rules.[/ ...[text shortened]... Thank you Lord that at least googlefudge has one more day to turn to you. Thank you Lord Jesus."

You are delusional.

You can't comprehend that I really don't believe that gods exist.

I don't need, and am not making up excuses to not want god.

I am simply pointing out how unbelievably stupid your beliefs are.

I have nothing I need to be saved from.

And I would want nothing whatsoever to do with your god if it
did exist.

That you can't understand that makes you blinded by your own beliefs.

That you think your imaginary god is good makes you immoral and dangerous.

You and your religion are repulsive.

Originally posted by sonship

Saved?

Saved.

Saved from what... Oh yes, gods punishment.

God punishes man's transgression of His law.

What for?

Saved from your transgressions of the law.
Saved from the real guilt of what you did and what you said.

[quote]
Our supposed distant ancestors breaking gods rules.[/ ...[text shortened]... Thank you Lord that at least googlefudge has one more day to turn to you. Thank you Lord Jesus."

if we take googlefudges suggestion that god could just find another planet or orbital for those who don't want to participate in his scheme and imagine that's exactly what god did and a whole bunch people formed a society separate from religion and god.........what do you think would happen to that society? do you think it could operate well and produce generally happy people? or do you think it would crumble into decadence and evil?

Originally posted by twhitehead
I wonder why God didn't perform the equivalent of the Jesus sacrifice for the Devil too. Or did he, but the Devil turned it down? I wonder why the Devil would turn it down. Does he not know the consequences of his actions, or does he prefer the outcome he has chosen?

In his vanity, he believes God (or at least his heavenly host) can be taken down at Armageddon.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Wow, you noticed🙂

One thing I never understood: Why would a GOD, a being so far above us as to make us and ants look equal, such a being would even THINK that we can be so evil as to deserve such punishment.

It just goes back to the idea that the whole christian/Jewish/Islam religion is 100% made up by men with the central idea of controlling populat ...[text shortened]... put down women as chattel, owned by men.

How CONVENIENT.

How UN godlike.

HOW MAN MADE.

HOW CLUELESS.

Originally posted by Great King Rat
Do you agree with GB and RJH that you will forget about those people once you get to heaven?

I would think so. Because, they will have died the "second death" and they are gone. I do not believe in this "endless torture in the Lake of Fire" concept you atheists love to point at and call inhumane. After a while, yes, we'll forget about our loved ones who perished at Judgement just like we eventually move on when a loved one dies. We do keep them in our hearts, but once they die and we finish mourning them, they're no longer in our daily thoughts. It will be much the same after Judgement, except we'll also slowly forget our earthly lives as well.

Originally posted by Suzianne
HOW CLUELESS.

HOW DUPED.

Originally posted by Rajk999
The offer of resurrection to eternal life is dependent upon you doing certain things. Failure to do that will result in resurrection to punishment.

[i]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. [b]Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into ...[text shortened]... good to resurrection of life otherwise death.

So be careful what false doctrines you follow.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, like we've all never heard that drum before. Do you keep beating it because it's about the only thing you feel you can crow about? (Yeah, like there's no sin in that. )

I'm guessing you'll be equally surprised at Judgement as you think they will.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Like YOURS for instance. You who have NOTHING but words written down in an ancient plagiarized book rehashing older religions and now billions of poor duped individuals think they might go to some kind of hell or some kind of heaven.

Like a god, being as far above humans as to make ants and humans look equal would have any interest in condemning humans a ...[text shortened]... distinctions.

It is really sad those billions cannot see it for what it really is.

FAKE.

On the other hand, your vanity is very REAL.

Originally posted by Suzianne
In his vanity, he believes God (or at least his heavenly host) can be taken down at Armageddon.

So although he believes in God, he too has not been presented with 'the choice', just as I in my ignorance have not.
I just find it contradictory how you frequently talk about the importance of free will, yet is patently obvious that free will has no value if the free agent in question is not privy to he facts. Essentially an agents choices are then either predetermined by which facts and falsehoods it is exposed to, or it is arbitrary. I fail to see the value in that.

Originally posted by Rajk999
If you follow Christ and do good works you will be rewarded notwithstanding your disbelief.

Really? Really???

So, now (according to you), one doesn't even really NEED to believe in God and His Son? Faith is not necessary?

Wow, that's really a new one on me.

Originally posted by Suzianne
I would think so. Because, they will have died the "second death" and they are gone. I do not believe in this "endless torture in the Lake of Fire" concept you atheists love to point at and call inhumane. After a while, yes, we'll forget about our loved ones who perished at Judgement just like we eventually move on when a loved one dies. We do keep them ...[text shortened]... ill be much the same after Judgement, except we'll also slowly forget our earthly lives as well.

normally our loved ones die of natural causes. god is effectively going to murder us. can you be happy living in eternity with our murderer?

Originally posted by Great King Rat
So, when god does not - as GB and RJH believe - have a Men In Black type of memory eraser and you end up in heaven knowing what is happening to fairly decent people whose worst crime on earth was to not believe (eternal torture), I assume you cannot possibly be completely happy, right?

I'm trying to understand how religious people view these matters, which I find rather important.

NO.

You may be "trying to understand how religious people view these matters" but even you have to admit, your sample size is pathetically small for achieving what you say you're trying to achieve. And there isn't even universal agreement on a lot of it. We do not all think the same thing. Frankly, it's insulting to think that you take that we do as a given.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You are saying the same thing Im saying. The proof you require will come soon and when your reward comes you will be happy.

What is going to happen in the afterlife will happen whether or not you believe that there is one. Your opinion is of no significance.

And the same can be said of your opinion also. There will be no 'proof'. There is no 'afterlife'. We are on our own here, no god is going to come down to fix all our boo boo's and say everything will be alright.

Originally posted by Suzianne
On the other hand, your vanity is very REAL.

Of course you would think I am simply vanity talking. If you are so sure of that, call down your god and have it talk to me directly, I can be convinced then.