Originally posted by Great King RatOriginally posted by Great King Rat
Read back the thread. Questions are sentences that end with a questionmark (?)
"Indeed. I damn near fell out of my chair.
And still no answer to my question.
"And still no answer to my question."
> Thanks for your patience.
Please restate your question.
"Read back the thread. Questions are sentences that end with a questionmark (?)" -Great King Rat
Questions were answered with straightforward replies which were, understandably, difficult to accept.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyThe idea that ANYONE will go to some hell after they die is total BS. Anyone who believes that crap deserves what they get because they live their lives in fear. Not a good place to be mentally.
Originally posted by Great King Rat
"Indeed. I damn near fell out of my chair.
And still no answer to my question.
"And still no answer to my question."
> Thanks for your patience.
Please restate your question.
"Read back the thread. Questions are sentences that end with a questionmark (?)" -Great King Rat
Questions were answered with straightforward replies which were, understandably, difficult to accept.
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI am not sure I have been clear.
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
1.26. [b]An alternative address awaits all who reject Christ’s agonizing substitutionary spiritual death on their behalf: the Lake of Fire, sharing the final destination of the devil and his angels. It's an endless nightmare of suffering and pain; a place of eternal torment and hopelessness: "And they will be torm ...[text shortened]... Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'" -C.S. Lewis[/b]
I don't care what it says in the bible.
It is a book of stories written by people thousands of years ago who didn't know
very much and had (by modern standards) very poor morals.
If you want to tell me something tell me in your own words you have typed yourself
or don't reply at all.
Is that clear enough for you?
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyWhen you stop telling me I will go to hell and deserve it I will start being civil.
When you calm down and recognize the benefits of civility, we may be able to enjoy a productive conversation.
When you reply to questions with your own words actually dealing with the question asked and don't just post quotes from others or incomprehensible riddles I will start being civil.
When you start listening, and are prepared to engage in dialogue, and stop trying to teach... I will start being civil.
Till then...
You haven't answered the question I asked... Or anyone else's.
CAN an 8 year old burn in hell for eternity?
If yes. then your god is evil.
If no, then what age IS old enough to get an eternity of torture?
If you don't know... How can you worship a god when you don't
know whether or not they torture children for eternity?
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Originally posted by SuzianneSo a 14 yr old atheist (or any other non-Christian believer, plus all Christians that
Just a guess here, but the Jewish coming of age markers are 13 for boys and 12 for girls. This is when they have their Bar Mitzvah and Bat Mitzvah celebrations. I would guess that before this, they would be considered an 'innocent', and not an adult yet. The Bar Mitzvah ceremony was not in place during Biblical times, but the age of 13 is mentioned in th ...[text shortened]... really the only 'chosen' people that God bothered to set down any laws for (in the OT, anyways).
don't come up to scratch) would have their soul executed by your god upon entry
to the afterlife?
Because a 14 yr old is still very much a child.
Not that anyone deserves execution (or time in hell, dependent on the version of
Christianity we are discussing) simply for not believing and/or worshipping god...
But to execute children who are still very much governed by their adult guardians
and who haven't yet fully developed is particularly hard to swallow.
Why do you worship this monster again?
Is it just fear?
Originally posted by googlefudge"I don't care what it says in the bible." -googlefudge
I am not sure I have been clear.
I don't care what it says in the bible.
It is a book of stories written by people thousands of years ago who didn't know
very much and had (by modern standards) very poor morals.
If you want to tell me something tell me in your own words you have typed yourself
or don't reply at all.
Is that clear enough for you?
Then, what source of absolute truth do you care about?
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Originally posted by googlefudge"When you stop telling me I will go to hell and deserve it I will start being civil." -googlefudge
When you stop telling me I will go to hell and deserve it I will start being civil.
When you reply to questions with your own words actually dealing with the question asked and don't just post quotes from others or incomprehensible riddles I will start being civil.
When you start listening, and are prepared to engage in dialogue, and stop trying to ...[text shortened]... ou worship a god when you don't
know whether or not they torture children for eternity?[/quote]
Once again you're emotionally ascribing scriptural statements regarding eternal consequences to me.
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyWell first, the bible is not a source of truth, let alone absolute truth.
"I don't care what it says in the bible." -googlefudge
Then, what source of absolute truth do you care about?
Second, I am not sure such a thing as a "Source of absolute truth" exists.
If it does it would be "Reality" ... the universe we live in is the ultimate arbiter
of what is or is not true about the universe we live in.
However that doesn't necessarily tell us a whole heap about moral 'truths'...
however I don't know that moral 'truths' are absolute.
There is certainly no being, or book, that is the arbiter or holder of absolute truth.
Even if such a thing actually exists.
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyYOU are the one posting them in response to my questions.
"When you stop telling me I will go to hell and deserve it I will start being civil." -googlefudge
Once again you're emotionally ascribing scriptural statements regarding eternal consequences to me.
YOU are the one that believes them.
So yes, I am ascribing them to you.
YOU believe I will go to hell for not believing and that I will deserve that fate.
That is what I ascribe to you.
Originally posted by googlefudgeWhy should you be rewarded for living your life in sin?
YOU are the one posting them in response to my questions.
YOU are the one that believes them.
So yes, I am ascribing them to you.
YOU believe I will go to hell for not believing and that I will deserve that fate.
That is what I ascribe to you.
Originally posted by googlefudge"The Word of God is alive and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of the soul and spirit, and of the joints and the marrow, and is a critic of thoughts and intents of the heart." (Hebrews 4:12)
Well first, the bible is not a source of truth, let alone absolute truth.
Second, I am not sure such a thing as a "Source of absolute truth" exists.
If it does it would be "Reality" ... the universe we live in is the ultimate arbiter
of what is or is not true about the universe we live in.
However that doesn't necessarily tell us a whole heap ...[text shortened]... or book, that is the arbiter or holder of absolute truth.
Even if such a thing actually exists.
"All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness; that the man of God might be mature, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:16-17)