Your Purpose in Life

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Do you think there is ever a case when it is not true?

I answered your question directly and immediately and yet you dodged mine.

Originally posted by FMF
I answered your question directly and immediately and yet you dodged mine.

If it is not morally acceptable under any circumstance then I think it is universally wrong. Feel free to give me one example of a circumstance when it is morally acceptable.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If it is not morally acceptable under any circumstance then I think it is universally wrong. Feel free to give me one example of a circumstance when it is morally acceptable.

What is your answer to my question about torture?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Ok so if we all share they same reality, then that which is genuinely true is true for all of us not just some of us right?

incorrect, the time is 12.27pm, that is genuinely true........but not for all of us.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
incorrect, the time is 12.27pm, that is genuinely true........but not for all of us.

The time in your time zone was 12:27 and it was true for everyone in your time zone. The fact that people lives in different time zones doesn't mean they are experiencing a different reality to someone in a different time zone. That would be like saying in my time zone torturing a baby for fun is wrong but in your time zone its suddenly ok.

Originally posted by FMF
What is your answer to my question about torture?

I personally think torturing someone for the location of a nuclear bomb that could kill millions could be morally justifiable. Why would think it's wrong? In any event God will judge people it's probably not my place. I have answered your question now tell me why you think it's wrong to torture someone for any purpose whatsoever?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I personally think torturing someone for the location of a nuclear bomb that could kill millions could be morally justifiable. Why would think it's wrong?

I am going to say that I just think torture is wrong in all circumstances. For the purposes of our discussion, I am going to claim that it is a "universal truth" and that it goes one better than yours - and is even more "universal" than yours. Do you disagree?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I have answered your question now tell me why you think it's wrong to torture someone for any purpose whatsoever?

Because, for the sake of argument, I believe that "it's wrong to torture someone for any purpose whatsoever" is a universal truth". For the sake of our discussion, I will claim that no supernatural being has sanctioned the use of torture, so I will take that as an indication that "it's wrong to torture someone for any purpose whatsoever" is "true" and that it's "universal".

Originally posted by FMF
I am going to say that I just think torture is wrong in all circumstances. For the purposes of our discussion, I am going to claim that it is a "universal truth" and that it goes one better than yours - and is even more "universal" than yours. Do you disagree?

So who or what is the lawmaker of your universal law?

Originally posted by FMF
Because, for the sake of argument, I believe that "it's wrong to torture someone for any purpose whatsoever" is a universal truth". For the sake of our discussion, I will claim that no supernatural being has sanctioned the use of torture, so I will take that as an indication that "it's wrong to torture someone for any purpose whatsoever" is "true" and that it's "universal".

The other day you claimed not believe in a universal moral law and today you do when it suits you.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
The other day you claimed not believe in a universal moral law and today you do when it suits you.

I am claiming there is "a universal moral law" for the sake of our discussion - as a thought experiment, if you will - and that this "universal moral law" coincides with whatever I believe.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So who or what is the lawmaker of your universal law?

It's a bit of a mystery and there is no evidence of a "lawmaker's" existence, so, in lieu of that, the "universal law" is what I say it is.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I personally think torturing someone for the location of a nuclear bomb that could kill millions could be morally justifiable.

Would it be morally justifiable to torture someone to stop them being angry with their brother or being proud or being lustful? You have claimed that those things are equally as evil as murdering millions of people.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If it is not morally acceptable under any circumstance then I think it is universally wrong. Feel free to give me one example of a circumstance when it is morally acceptable.

Give you one example of a circumstance when what is morally acceptable?

Originally posted by FMF
It's a bit of a mystery and there is no evidence of a "lawmaker's" existence, so, in lieu of that, the "universal law" is what I say it is.

If you posit a universal moral law you have to posit a moral law maker.