Your tooth fairy not mine

@fmf said
I don't see how the fact that some things are invisible is evidence of supernatural phenomena.

That's the point, you don't see. By association is where one can see the evidence. You need to utilize your mind's eye, but first you have to open it. They say one must have an open mind to see what others see, when this one does not see. You are the one that doesn't see it. If after several attempts to reconsider your view you still don't see it, you better pay a visit to the invisible mind optometrist.

@pettytalk said
That's the point, you don't see. By association is where one can see the evidence. You need to utilize your mind's eye, but first you have to open it. They say one must have an open mind to see what others see, when this one does not see. You are the one that doesn't see it. If after several attempts to reconsider your view you still don't see it, you better pay a visit to the invisible mind optometrist.

They say one must have an open mind to see what others see, when this one does not see.

But I do understand exactly what it is you claim you can see. I am extremely familiar with it. I don't think there's much mileage in a theist playing the 'I'm more open-minded than a non-theist' and the 'It takes some special magical ability to see this stuff' cards.

@kellyjay said
That is all between your ears, not reality, and reality is the thing I was speaking about. You can believe anything you want, and as soon as you pick a side on any topic there are either reasons that you have or not, not having reasons only means what you believe is an unreasonable position because it lacks reasons. You reject God then you reject mindlessness throughout th ...[text shortened]... about your beliefs, uh, okay, how about defending them, with reasons that can stand up to questions?

That is all between your ears, not reality, and reality is the thing I was speaking about.

All religious narratives and dogmas are "between the ears". And referring to the output of your subjective speculation as "reality" over and over and over and over again does not alter the subjectivity involved.

@moonbus said
There is no directive. There is expansion, in the most rudimentary sense a ‘direction’ away from a theoretical singularity, but no goal and no plan. Directives, plans, and goals are figments of human imagination.

A very good imaginative explanation of the universe science knows so well.

A theoretical singularity? Did you ever consider how to put everything which exists back into this imaginary singularity? And since it's also theorized that in the singularity there is no more space, I suppose, to assure making them fit in the same way as they were before coming out, one must use the plan of the last out first in?

And so it is that the first will be last, and the last first.

@fmf said
They say one must have an open mind to see what others see, when this one does not see.

But I do understand exactly what it is you claim you can see. I am extremely familiar with it. I don't think there's much mileage in a theist playing the 'I'm more open-minded than a non-theist' and the 'It takes some special magical ability to see this stuff' cards.

You could not possibly begin to understand what I see, because you would have to see it with my mind. You are only imagining my claim by feeling around the darkness within your own mind. I suspect God is hardening your mind, and therefore it's very, very difficult even for a sliver, a single ray, of light to enter.

However, I'm not discounting the possibility that you are only playacting with everything you argue for or against. Like many of us on these forums, you just like to argue and debate for the hell of it.

@moonbus said
8 and 10 are inconsistent. Life is rare, or prolific, but not both.

If we unite the intent of both 8 and 10 we get a prolific rarity.

@pettytalk said
You could not possibly begin to understand what I see, because you would have to see it with my mind. You are only imagining my claim by feeling around the darkness within your own mind.

You could not possibly begin to understand what I see, because you would have to see it with my mind.

You seem to forget that I was a committed and thoughtful Christian for almost three decades.

I have a perspective on your faith that is rooted in experiential knowledge of having had faith and living it and breathing it. It permeated every aspect of my life and my outlook

I also have a perspective on your faith that is rooted in experiential knowledge of having lost faith and therefore being able to analyze ~ retrospectively and introspectively ~ how it takes a grip on adherents and limits their ability to be open-minded about the effect it is having on their intellectual behaviour.

@pettytalk said
However, I'm not discounting the possibility that you are only playacting with everything you argue for or against. Like many of us on these forums, you just like to argue and debate for the hell of it.

Thanks for what is presumably a tacit and/or inadvertent admission about your own mindset. It will have a bearing on whether I take anything you say seriously hereon.

@pettytalk said
A very good imaginative explanation of the universe science knows so well.

A theoretical singularity? Did you ever consider how to put everything which exists back into this imaginary singularity? And since it's also theorized that in the singularity there is no more space, I suppose, to assure making them fit in the same way as they were before coming out, one must use ...[text shortened]... the plan of the last out first in?

And so it is that the first will be last, and the last first.

Based on the available evidence, everything we observe in the universe now was not scrunched very small inside a singularity. Based on the available evidence, nothing we observe in the universe now was planned, except what humans have planned.

@pettytalk said
That's the point, you don't see. By association is where one can see the evidence. You need to utilize your mind's eye, but first you have to open it. They say one must have an open mind to see what others see, when this one does not see. You are the one that doesn't see it. If after several attempts to reconsider your view you still don't see it, you better pay a visit to the invisible mind optometrist.

“invisible mind optometrist” ? You mean a witchdoctor. I’ll pass.

😆

@moonbus said
8 and 10 are inconsistent. Life is rare, or prolific, but not both.

Life is prolific across the universe. But to get the chance to exist on this planet (due to all our countless ancestors having to meet at precisely the right time) it is a rarity and we have beaten incredible odds to be here. This to my mind makes life precious.

@kellyjay said
That is all between your ears, not reality, and reality is the thing I was speaking about. You can believe anything you want, and as soon as you pick a side on any topic there are either reasons that you have or not, not having reasons only means what you believe is an unreasonable position because it lacks reasons. You reject God then you reject mindlessness throughout th ...[text shortened]... about your beliefs, uh, okay, how about defending them, with reasons that can stand up to questions?

Would it be okay to say everything you believe is between your ears, not reality?

I think 'any' atheist is much closer to reality than you are.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Would it be okay to say everything you believe is between your ears, not reality?

I think 'any' atheist is much closer to reality than you are.

Yes, I'm sure you think that considering you are more worried about what you think than reality itself.

"Yea, the beginning sets the stage for all that follows. I asked about how you deal with heat death due entropy as things degrade.

It’s one of those certainties in life."