Originally posted by @kellyjayI think the OP seeks a simple answer, not a barrage of spiritual bromides.
It much more than that, that is just a legal obey or die.
What the prayer is about is yielding to God's will, come what may, yes obey, but if
obedience brings about good or bad, God's will be done. It is trusting God through it all
because this life isn't it, how this life goes doesn't define how we are walking with the
Lord or not. We are not good w ...[text shortened]... ell, we are good with God
because He loves us, and that has nothing to do with us, its all Him.
Originally posted by @handyandyThe OP yes, but you simplified something a little more complex than it is.
I think the OP seeks a simple answer, not a barrage of spiritual bromides.
Originally posted by @wittywonkawithout going on the religious bent, let us just look at how the Prayer is framed. It is a prayer to the Father. And is like a letter. "Our Father" in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom, your will, give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses.
In the Christian tradition, the Lord's Prayer is:
"Our Father in Heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
[b]your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven."
Matthew 6:9-10, English Standard Version
Could someone with more knowledge/experience explain: who is the "by whom" implied in the line "Your will be done"? In other words, ...[text shortened]... ying, "Your will be done by us"--as in, "May we do to/in the world whatever you see fit"?[/b]
To some degree it begins with a praise then goes to a request, then a plea. But always it is to the Father
Originally posted by @pudgenikJesus taught us to pray to someone different than Himself...to the Father.
without going on the religious bent, let us just look at how the Prayer is framed. It is a prayer to the Father. And is like a letter. "Our Father" in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom, your will, give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses.
To some degree it begins with a praise then goes to a request, then a plea. But always it is to the Father
The same Father that Jesus talked to while on the cross.
Note: I am on a non-Trinity wavelength today. It happens.
Originally posted by @pudgenikThe OP asked "who is the 'by whom' implied in the line 'Your will be done'?"
without going on the religious bent, let us just look at how the Prayer is framed. It is a prayer to the Father. And is like a letter. "Our Father" in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom, your will, give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses.
To some degree it begins with a praise then goes to a request, then a plea. But always it is to the Father
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeWhy can't you just let me simmer in my doubt and frustration?
Tomorrow you'll be a raging Zoroastrian.
😀
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeI have to google that word.
Tomorrow you'll be a raging Zoroastrian.
Standby.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeMonotheistic. ONE God.
Tomorrow you'll be a raging Zoroastrian.
Hey, sounds pretty good so far.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeToo bad some religions have more Gods than one, like 3.
It was the building block for all current monotheistic religions, built on the very simple premise of everything having an opposite; love/hate, good/bad etc.
(Not mentioning who)
Originally posted by @chaney3I see that "non trinity" lol. we are good
Jesus taught us to pray to someone different than Himself...to the Father.
The same Father that Jesus talked to while on the cross.
Note: I am on a non-Trinity wavelength today. It happens.
i often try to explain the trinity like a candle. the wax we see a lot of Jesus, the fire, bit of a mystery, and the wick we only know a little of, the Father.
Jesus tells us, no one can go to the Father but through Him (Jesus).
The Jews knew about God and His Spirit, being two yet one God. In the Ancient Hebrew they have a word for when God spoke to Mosses saying, "I am who am" . The only problem with that word, it cant be translated into english, greek or latin. The word is a singular, plural, noun. Our grammer wont work with it.
As far as the separation of the Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit. it is a mystery beyond most, if not all. We don't fully understand it, but we have faith in it.