1. Standard memberHandyAndy
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    24 Sep '18 03:59
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    It much more than that, that is just a legal obey or die.

    What the prayer is about is yielding to God's will, come what may, yes obey, but if
    obedience brings about good or bad, God's will be done. It is trusting God through it all
    because this life isn't it, how this life goes doesn't define how we are walking with the
    Lord or not. We are not good w ...[text shortened]... ell, we are good with God
    because He loves us, and that has nothing to do with us, its all Him.
    I think the OP seeks a simple answer, not a barrage of spiritual bromides.
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    24 Sep '18 09:31
    Originally posted by @handyandy
    I think the OP seeks a simple answer, not a barrage of spiritual bromides.
    The OP yes, but you simplified something a little more complex than it is.
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    24 Sep '18 16:05
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    The OP yes, but you simplified something a little more complex than it is.
    A little more complex than it is...

    What does that mean?
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    24 Sep '18 16:21
    Originally posted by @wittywonka
    In the Christian tradition, the Lord's Prayer is:

    "Our Father in Heaven,
    hallowed be your name.
    Your kingdom come,
    [b]your will be done,
    on earth as it is in heaven
    ."

    Matthew 6:9-10, English Standard Version

    Could someone with more knowledge/experience explain: who is the "by whom" implied in the line "Your will be done"? In other words, ...[text shortened]... ying, "Your will be done by us"--as in, "May we do to/in the world whatever you see fit"?[/b]
    without going on the religious bent, let us just look at how the Prayer is framed. It is a prayer to the Father. And is like a letter. "Our Father" in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom, your will, give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses.

    To some degree it begins with a praise then goes to a request, then a plea. But always it is to the Father
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    24 Sep '18 16:25
    Originally posted by @vivify
    Omfg, why can't you guys just answer his question?

    "Your" will refers to God's will.
    I understand where you are coming from, just a simple answer. In mine, i just felt it important to explain as i did
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    24 Sep '18 16:33
    Originally posted by @pudgenik
    without going on the religious bent, let us just look at how the Prayer is framed. It is a prayer to the Father. And is like a letter. "Our Father" in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom, your will, give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses.

    To some degree it begins with a praise then goes to a request, then a plea. But always it is to the Father
    Jesus taught us to pray to someone different than Himself...to the Father.

    The same Father that Jesus talked to while on the cross.

    Note: I am on a non-Trinity wavelength today. It happens.
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    24 Sep '18 16:44
    Originally posted by @pudgenik
    without going on the religious bent, let us just look at how the Prayer is framed. It is a prayer to the Father. And is like a letter. "Our Father" in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom, your will, give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses.

    To some degree it begins with a praise then goes to a request, then a plea. But always it is to the Father
    The OP asked "who is the 'by whom' implied in the line 'Your will be done'?"
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    24 Sep '18 16:44
    Originally posted by @chaney3
    Jesus taught us to pray to someone different than Himself...to the Father.

    The same Father that Jesus talked to while on the cross.

    Note: I am on a non-Trinity wavelength today. It happens.
    Tomorrow you'll be a raging Zoroastrian.
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    24 Sep '18 16:46
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Tomorrow you'll be a raging Zoroastrian.
    Why can't you just let me simmer in my doubt and frustration?
    😀
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    24 Sep '18 16:48
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Tomorrow you'll be a raging Zoroastrian.
    I have to google that word.
    Standby.
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    24 Sep '18 16:50
    Originally posted by @chaney3
    Why can't you just let me simmer in my doubt and frustration?
    😀
    It's my job as a mischievous atheist to mess with your head.
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    24 Sep '18 16:52
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Tomorrow you'll be a raging Zoroastrian.
    Monotheistic. ONE God.

    Hey, sounds pretty good so far.
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    24 Sep '18 16:55
    Originally posted by @chaney3
    Monotheistic. ONE God.

    Hey, sounds pretty good so far.
    It was the building block for all current monotheistic religions, built on the very simple premise of everything having an opposite; love/hate, good/bad etc.
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    24 Sep '18 16:59
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    It was the building block for all current monotheistic religions, built on the very simple premise of everything having an opposite; love/hate, good/bad etc.
    Too bad some religions have more Gods than one, like 3.

    (Not mentioning who)
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    24 Sep '18 17:15
    Originally posted by @chaney3
    Jesus taught us to pray to someone different than Himself...to the Father.

    The same Father that Jesus talked to while on the cross.

    Note: I am on a non-Trinity wavelength today. It happens.
    I see that "non trinity" lol. we are good

    i often try to explain the trinity like a candle. the wax we see a lot of Jesus, the fire, bit of a mystery, and the wick we only know a little of, the Father.

    Jesus tells us, no one can go to the Father but through Him (Jesus).

    The Jews knew about God and His Spirit, being two yet one God. In the Ancient Hebrew they have a word for when God spoke to Mosses saying, "I am who am" . The only problem with that word, it cant be translated into english, greek or latin. The word is a singular, plural, noun. Our grammer wont work with it.

    As far as the separation of the Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit. it is a mystery beyond most, if not all. We don't fully understand it, but we have faith in it.
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