Originally posted by EladarThe region has been controlled by Russia for years...how are you not getting this ?
[b]Russian troops moved in to protect peace keepers in the region, Russian "peace keepers" that had been there for years.
No, the Russian troops moved in only after Georgia attacked. Georgia attacked because the Russian peace keepers were not doing their job and were allowing large number of paramilitary troops to enter the region from Russia.[/b]
Of cours Russia is the dominate power in the region. I'm just trying to make clear the order in which this thing errupted. The Russians were supposed to be a peace keeping force for both sides. They did not uphold that end of the bargain. They set up the confrontation, then claimed that they are only doing it for humanitarian reasons. If they were doing their job to begin with, this never would have happened.
The Russians wanted it to happen and is trying to make it look like this thing wasn't their fault when it clearly is.
Originally posted by EladarI feel like Judge Judy here......If someone shouts at you when you're in your car, and you get out and punch him.....you end up paying the doctors bills.
Of cours Russia is the dominate power in the region. I'm just trying to make clear the order in which this thing errupted. The Russians were supposed to be a peace keeping force for both sides. They did not uphold that end of the bargain. They set up the confrontation, then claimed that they are only doing it for humanitarian reasons. If they were doing ...[text shortened]... to happen and is trying to make it look like this thing wasn't their fault when it clearly is.
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Originally posted by EladarNo. But as i prefer not to use words like "thugs" when talking about a major international incident that could have repocusions that effect us all, i think i am thinking with a clearer head than you.
I must admit that I don't know much about the politics of the region, but that has nothing to do with what's going down here. You simply want everyone to believe what Putin and his thugs are spewing because you fear them.
But, never let the truth get inthe way of a good debate...carry on.
No. But as i prefer not to use words like "thugs" when talking about a major international incident that could have repocusions that effect us all, i think i am thinking with a clearer head than you.
You also prefer to not question who started this. You prefer to close your eyes and not question anything Russia is doing because this is all happening in Russia's sphere of domination.
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundExactly huck, but in this case its called the butchers bill.
I feel like Judge Judy here......If someone shouts at you when you're in your car, and you get out and punch him.....you end up paying the doctors bills.
I hate to say it, but at the moment Russia have a claim to the moral high ground as they are defending citizens (passport holders), but i would not have been surprised to hear that these citizenships were thrown about like candy so as to gain a further toe hold of influence.
That toe hold is now showing the Georgians the foot its jackboot contains and kicking their butts all over the country.
I do think Putin is using all of this, along with the reappearance of Russian militirism (practice air raids over UK airspace, the pollonium assasination), as a political lever to stoke nationalistic fervour that keeps him there. The Russians have always accepted firm leadership from strongmen throughout history.
To me, nationalism is a big step toward fascism.
Originally posted by shavixmirI think the US should kick back and let things unfold without us. We have almost no dog in this fight, unless our balls are chained to the oil industry halfway across the planet again. Does the US use the Georgia/Turkey pipeline oil?
Georgie invaded a semi-autonomous region.
Russia retaliated in defence of the semi-autonomous region.
And since the US and Europe aknowledged the splitting up of Serbia... oh well... it would be rather hypocritical of us to criticise the Russians, wouldn't it?
Originally posted by AThousandYoungObviously they do. That's what the whole velvet, rose or whatever revolutioni was about (otherwise the US would never have financed it... together with that criminal oligarc in London).
I think the US should kick back and let things unfold without us. We have almost no dog in this fight, unless our balls are chained to the oil industry halfway across the planet again. Does the US use the Georgia/Turkey pipeline oil?
However, the whole point is mute. The US recognised Kosovo and South Ossetia is exactly the same. So the US should hush or be severely criticized for hypocrisy (never stopped them before though, so I suppose Cheney and Bush will open their fecid gobs and pour their cow dung over us).
Oops. There you go. Just heard Cheney...
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Originally posted by shavixmirThe US recognised Kosovo and South Ossetia is exactly the same.
Obviously they do. That's what the whole velvet, rose or whatever revolutioni was about (otherwise the US would never have financed it... together with that criminal oligarc in London).
However, the whole point is mute. The US recognised Kosovo and South Ossetia is exactly the same. So the US should hush or be severely criticized for hypocrisy (never s ...[text shortened]... their fecid gobs and pour their cow dung over us).
Oops. There you go. Just heard Cheney...
What are you referring to?