Originally posted by AThousandYoungKosovo declared independance in February.
[b] The US recognised Kosovo and South Ossetia is exactly the same.
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International law suggests that you can't just declare independance. For example, the Basque region in Spain could do that too then.
However, as soon as Kosovo declared this independance, a large group of countries jumped on the band wagon and recognised it.
A definate no-no, and even one of the reasons for the whole Yugoslavia war (in the 80's Kohl recognized Kroatia as soon as they declared independance).
Now, many of the inhabitants of South Ossetia don't want to be part of Georgia. In fact, they voted against the agreement with Georgia (just after the rose-revolution).
Georgia doesn't want South Ossetia or Abkhazia to be independant (seeing their important strategic locations, especially that of Abkhazia), but they do, especially since Georgia has an ever-increasing nationalist tendency.
This is what I'm referring to. It's not simple politics either.
The US wants Georgia independant for bases, oil pipe-lines and to keep Russia in check.
Russia wants South Ossetia and Abkhazia for harbours, to thwart the US and because they feel the people their want to belong to Russia (which many do).
So, it's taking place on a micro and macro level, at the same time.
However, so it was with Kosovo.
What you see now is Russia basically flexing their muscles in a time which will show up Western-hypocrisy for what it is.
The Georgian president seems short on brains. Did someone put him up to it? I see that the Georgian army is currently -- but not for too much longer -- the best equipped and trained in the Caucasus, thanks to US, Turkish and other assistance.
I see that South Ossetians do not consider themselves as Georgians. I don't see what right Georgia has to set up a mini-empire.
Originally posted by shavixmir"We deplore the dangerous and disproportionate actions by Russian forces and we would be particularly troubled if these attacks are continuing now as the Georgians are pulling back," said President George Bush's deputy national security adviser James Jeffrey.
However, so it was with Kosovo.
What you see now is Russia basically flexing their muscles in a time which will show up Western-hypocrisy for what it is.
This says a lot!
Originally posted by Bosse de NageThats just the scarey point, it is a new series of "The Great Game" . The US has no need at all to get involved militarily.
Nice image!
But you're right, the US has no room to talk here.
It is of course a new series of The Great Game.
Once the Russians re-aquire Georgia, wont they control most of Europes' natural gas and oil pipelines? A very handy stick to have in case your neighbours get uppity at you.
Originally posted by lordhighgusOf course. That's the large walrus at the table that we pretend isn't there.
Thats just the scarey point, it is a new series of "The Great Game" . The US has no need at all to get involved militarily.
Once the Russians re-aquire Georgia, wont they control most of Europes' natural gas and oil pipelines? A very handy stick to have in case your neighbours get uppity at you.
Originally posted by lordhighgusI wish they'd get some new production values, like Berlusconi, and put on a proper show instead of using all that old archival rubbish shot in some dingy studio. True, the Russians got the drama right for this one, but their costumes were as dull as ever. On the other hand the South Ossetians include people of Cossack descent, which is good for the cameras, and they are attracting fighters from Checnya, North Ossetia, and Dagestan ... I see knife fights, trick shooting, perhaps even dramatic horseback sequences. And some really terrific explosions. The boss likes explosions.
Thats just the scarey point, it is a new series of "The Great Game" .
Originally posted by lordhighgusOf course the US has to get involved!
Thats just the scarey point, it is a new series of "The Great Game" . The US has no need at all to get involved militarily.
Once the Russians re-aquire Georgia, wont they control most of Europes' natural gas and oil pipelines? A very handy stick to have in case your neighbours get uppity at you.
You don't want those pesky Ruskies controlling Europe's oil and gas do you?
Europe might start to cuddle up with the old Bear and what with the US hanging by its gonads from a very fine wire above the roasting fire of economies past, the last thing the US needs is Europe turning it's back on them and having a glass of vodka.
Originally posted by shavixmirArguably, losing the Cold War made Russia leaner and tougher -- and hungrier -- while winning it made the USA soft, fat, lazy and delusional.
Of course the US has to get involved!
You don't want those pesky Ruskies controlling Europe's oil and gas do you?
Europe might start to cuddle up with the old Bear and what with the US hanging by its gonads from a very fine wire above the roasting fire of economies past, the last thing the US needs is Europe turning it's back on them and having a glass of vodka.
Originally posted by shavixmirEurope should be more than capable of handling this without US help if it should feel it needs handling.
Of course the US has to get involved!
You don't want those pesky Ruskies controlling Europe's oil and gas do you?
Europe might start to cuddle up with the old Bear and what with the US hanging by its gonads from a very fine wire above the roasting fire of economies past, the last thing the US needs is Europe turning it's back on them and having a glass of vodka.
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungCompared to the Russians? Come on. Thinking that having badder bombs makes you tougher is a prime example of delusion. How do you think most Americans would shape up in the aftermath of economic collapse?
What delusions? And you think we're SOFT?
Or the Israelis. You think your corn-fed nation can armwrestle the children of Zion?
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Originally posted by shavixmirThe US is getting involved because Georgia helped them in Iraq (a shrewd move by the Georgian President), and Unless Russia moves to take over the rest of Georgia, i don't see where where the rest of the international community can justify stepping in.
Of course the US has to get involved!
You don't want those pesky Ruskies controlling Europe's oil and gas do you?
Europe might start to cuddle up with the old Bear and what with the US hanging by its gonads from a very fine wire above the roasting fire of economies past, the last thing the US needs is Europe turning it's back on them and having a glass of vodka.