@Metal-Brain saidAll regime changes means in that context is to remove Islamic extremists. These are the worlds most dangerous individuals, and they need to be all killed, because they cannot be reformed or changed. Islam on the whole is a dangerous religion. Thankfully people all over the world are now coming to grips with this evil menace, and change is coming.
Yes it does. That is what the greater Israel project is all about.
You are in denial of reality. Israel bombed Persia (Iran) with the goal of regime change so you are full of crap.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/netanyahu-says-regime-change-iran-could-be-result-israels-attacks-2025-06-15/
STOP LYING!
Israel bombed Iran to remove their nuclear weapons factories.
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@Rajk999 saidIt means invade and overthrow. Israel wants the Arabs land and Persian land.
All regime changes means in that context is to remove Islamic extremists. These are the worlds most dangerous individuals, and they need to be all killed, because they cannot be reformed or changed. Islam on the whole is a dangerous religion. Thankfully people all over the world are now coming to grips with this evil menace, and change is coming.
Israel bombed Iran to remove their nuclear weapons factories.
That means the whole middle east. Stop your lying.
Israel is a cancer that will grow if not removed.
They want to take over the middle east.
That is why everybody in the middle east hates Israel. They know.
"Israel is not interested in adhering to the Middle East's established borders set by the WWI Sykes-Picot agreement and has the “capacity or the desire” to take over Lebanon and Syria, according to US special envoy Tom Barrack."
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-sees-sykes-picot-borders-us-envoy-tom-barrack
@Metal-Brain saidThe only religion I know that promotes death to unbelievers, apostates, Jews and all other religions is Islam. So you are sadly mistaken and delusional. The world is watching Islam. The Jews do not promote such evil.
It means invade and overthrow. Israel wants the Arabs land and Persian land.
That means the whole middle east. Stop your lying.
Israel is a cancer that will grow if not removed.
They want to take over the middle east.
That is why everybody in the middle east hates Israel. They know.
"Israel is not interested in adhering to the Middle East's established border ...[text shortened]... Barrack."
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-sees-sykes-picot-borders-us-envoy-tom-barrack
@Rajk999 saidI ask you once again my earlier question, which you seem to have conveniently avoided.
Did Hamas, with the support of Gazans kill women and children who were participating in a music festival ON PURPOSE, rape them, burned them in microwave ovens, behead them. dragged their bodies through the streets, danced and rejoiced? Then took over 1200 hostages most of whom were raped and killed.
Yes they did. Gaza rejoiced, Palestinians and Arabs worldwide rejoiced ...[text shortened]... ities, then complain when the same is done to them?
Hopefully you are out of this discussion now.
Women and children who had nothing to do with the provocation. Why did Israel target people who had nothing to do with the Hamas action??
@Rajk999 saidyou're moving the goal posts
Of course there was violence between the Jews and the Arabs in Palestine under the British Empire period. When Israel became an independent state, there was war as well. Nothing there contradicts this what I said:
[i]The Jews never ruled the world. They Jews were fighting Arabs who were suicide bombers, that killed women and children. The Jews did not raid peaceful people ...[text shortened]... round taking over countries, murdering and raping the innocent and forcing their religion on people.
you asked me to show evidence of zionist violence toward the arabs and I did
@sameeh saidThe answer is "Why did Hamas target people who had nothing to do with the Israels action" Why are you taking so long to see my answer? Because your mind is hypocritical. Hamas can commit atrocities, but when faced with the same atrocities from others they call genocide, and war crimes. Both Hamas and your type are hypocrites.
I ask you once again my earlier question, which you seem to have conveniently avoided.
Women and children who had nothing to do with the provocation. Why did Israel target people who had nothing to do with the Hamas action??
Here is a question : Lets say Trump attacks Moscow with a nuke and kills 50,000, and Putin replies with a nuke to Washington killing 200,000. In what scenario can a US citizen claim - we had nothing to do with that, we did not vote Trump, we do not like Trump, why are you killing us?
The answer is none. It does not work like that. Your country attacks another one. Then accept the consequences. So the answer is ... It is the nature of war, and people need to be careful about startin wars. Hamas started a war, and they continue the war and the people are the ones to suffer.
Please stop asking stupid questions.
@Rajk999 saidHamas has not permitted elections since they won which makes the analogy imperfect at best
The answer is "Why did Hamas target people who had nothing to do with the Israels action" Why are you taking so long to see my answer? Because your mind is hypocritical. Hamas can commit atrocities, but when faced with the same atrocities from others they call genocide, and war crimes. Both Hamas and your type are hypocrites.
Here is a question : Lets say T ...[text shortened]... they continue the war and the people are the ones to suffer.
Please stop asking stupid questions.
@AThousandYoung saidWhy would the Jews care about that, or Trump or Putin.
Hamas has not permitted elections since they won which makes the analogy imperfect at best
There is an important lesson here you are missing.
Dont start wars and dont take hostages.
@Rajk999 saidYou're the one who brought up Trump and Putin not me
Why would the Jews care about that, or Trump or Putin.
There is an important lesson here you are missing.
Dont start wars and dont take hostages.
@AThousandYoung saidOh, sure, that is the case, but it also has explicitly cited its sources and it is absolutely consistent with all the information I have ever seen presented on this...
ChatGPT lies. It is not a reliable source. Haven't you heard of the lawyers who got in trouble for using AI and then the judge realized that it made up fake court cases to reference?
I used ChatGPT the other night to try to find some details of the lore of one of my favorite podcasts and the thing gave me different inconsistent false responses to the same prompt 3 ...[text shortened]... ith and made "acts of conscious avoidance and false and misleading statements to the court."[/quote]
And even just the evidence of your eyes - the Jews you meet in America are 80%+ not Middle Eastern presenting in appearance and so saying that these people are more rightly the heirs of the land of Palestine than the Palestinians themselves, who are demonstratably more genetically similar to the Hebrews who lived there and are their descendants, is bogus...
It's also reasoning that generally appeals to your specific religious background and beliefs, I imagine. Or your ethnic background or your biases.
I can't be sure as to why you are so dead set on denying the Palestinians their ancestral homeland.
@AThousandYoung saidBTW I think you might be Jewish, and that's wonderful. But it does mean that there is a bias. And that is also fine - who is unbiased in this world of ours? Basically nobody.
Your solution seems to be the Romans disappeared and some other group of people took their place while inheriting Roman culture and phenotypes.
When did the Romans stop being Roman in your opinion?
I am not Italian or Jewish. So I feel unbiased when I say that the ancient Hebrews and the old Romans certainly have descendants among us today, but that they are gone as a nation-state, and their claims are thus now of a historical nature, and nobody alive can really take advantage of them to enforce their will.
My guess is that the writing was on the wall for the Western Roman Empire quite late, and that by the year 650... "Roman" was no longer a meaningful category.
@AThousandYoung saidI would clarify that I would only abolish the government, and I would not agree to doing that unless I knew that it was transitioning into a new situation where the Jews of Israel would be allowed to stay as equal citizens with equal rights and a system was in place operated by people that would guarantee this.
I find myself disagreeing with Rajk just as much as I do with you. You and Rajk are mirror images of each other. Each of you has strong opinions about which people should be allowed to govern themselves in a place halfway around the world. Both of you are eager to disenfranchise the people in that region that you don't like.
@sonhouse saidEverything.
And, BTW, the Palestinian death count is over 63 THOUSAND, more than the US killed in the entire Vietnam war. What's wrong with this picture?
I would also suggest that the real number will be in the hundreds of thousands.
Check this out:
The report, authored by Professor Yaakov Garb of Ben-Gurion University, estimates that 377,000 Palestinians are missing or presumed dead since the start of the Israeli military assault in October 2023.
https://www.islamicity.org/105044/harvard-publishes-report-377000-missing-or-dead-in-gaza/[WORD TOO LONG].
Dated to June 27th, 2025
@Rajk999 saidWe also sell you all the tech that is used, and the second and third largest recipients of US foreign aid? Egypt & Jordan, who are bribed to play nice with you, as well as the totality of the Arab league.
I think you overestimate the importance of the US in the survival of Israel. US contributes less than 12% of Israels defense budget.
If we were to sit and enumerate the ways that the US sacrifices its interests for Israel and gives to this little apartheid state, we would be here all day.
I also think you know that.
Are you religious? My guess is that you are a religious Jew and the only reason you are refusing to acknowledge the importance of the US on the fate of Israel is because you believe hashem will protect Israel.
@AThousandYoung saidThis is a great reference to the fact that Iraq comes from Uruk. However, the Iraqis are Iraqis, not Urukis. The Iraqis have also experinced massive demographic changes over the years.
Guess what?
Athenians and Spartans still exist. Ethnic Egyptians too (the non Arabized ones call themselves Copts). Iraqis still exist, just as in ancient Uruk (Iraq = Uruk). China's still there. I wonder if you would lecture the Han Chinese about how they're not really the people who invented gunpowder, paper, crossbows, compasses etc? Persians still exist (Ira ...[text shortened]... ongolia and the Irish are still Gaelic Celts.
Isn't it amazing how cultures don't just disappear?
So have the Spartans, the Athenians, the Corinthians. And that is fine.
The title of Spartan remains... But the whole area is less populated today than back when it was a power in the Hellenic world.
Of course it's very romantic to say that the Spartans are real, and they are still where they are. To some degree I am sure this is true - the people most genetically similar to the premodern Spartans are the modern Spartans. But let's imagine that 150,000 Spartans were ethnically cleansed from that zone, and 1800 years later they showed up and demanded from people who are more genetically similar to the original Spartans than them to get their land back...
Now there's something worth talking about.