@sameeh saidWho cares if Palestinians support Hamas? How is that relevant in a war? How TF is that relevant ... Lol . Can you people even see through your hypocrisy.
I am sure that you know for a fact not every Palestinian supports the hamas.
You are merely hiding behind this feigned stupidity so that you can whitewash Israel's war crimes
Anyone can see through your charade 🙂
Did any Hamas terrorist ask any of the Jewish women and children they raped and murdered if they support IDF or the Knesset?
In which war does anyone go around asking the opposing side which side are they on. In no war is the answer....... you damn fool.
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@Philokalia saidThe original Palestinians were Greek. not Arab, and not Hebrew. They were called the Sea People. They worshipped Dagon and Goliath was their champion.
I know they are distinct - Hebrews (who no longer exist) are not Levantine Arabs.
My theory is that a significant amount of Jews remained in the Holy Land or returned to it shortly after, and lots of them converted to Christianity because they saw that, when the veil was rent and the Second Temple thereafter shortly fell, [i]persisting in Judaism was actually incorrect ...[text shortened]... rews in the classical sense. They were Palestinians.
The Christians were the first Palestinians.
Jews come from Judea. Arabs come from Arabia. Palestinians come from Philistine. These are three separate ethnic groups.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aax0061
We find that all three Ashkelon populations derive most of their ancestry from the local Levantine gene pool. The early Iron Age population was distinct in its high genetic affinity to European-derived populations and in the high variation of that affinity, suggesting that a gene flow from a European-related gene pool entered Ashkelon either at the end of the Bronze Age or at the beginning of the Iron Age. Of the available contemporaneous populations, we model the southern European gene pool as the best proxy for this incoming gene flow.
Now we know the Philistines assimilated into local Semitic culture. They started using Semitic languages and interbred thoroughly with the locals. However the Palestinian genes are not the Semitic ones. They are Greek.
https://greekcitytimes.com/2023/10/25/unraveling-the-greek-history-and-identity-of-palestine/
@Philokalia saidAIPAC is no different than any other ethnic lobby group. For example, USCPR.
The embassy hostage crisis is very, very old news.
We completely intervened because US politicians are beholden to AIPAC. Those who are remotely critical of Israel end up being actively opposed in primaries and will get outfunded in a heartbeat.
I am not sure to what extent you doubt that or endorse that... So, tell me. What do you think of AIPAC?
@Philokalia saidIt sounds like you want the USA to meddle in the region even more, not less!
It could happen, you are right, which is why it is best if it is done with US oversight, so to speak.
I absolutely don't want that to happen.
@Philokalia saidThe number of Christians is vanishingly small in these regions because the Islamic Caliphate made Christians pay extra taxes.
Right! There is an ethnic group of Assyrians that still exist.
The Middle East is a beautiful place because of its remarkable diversity.
And the number of Christians that remain in these places is vanishingly small because of the chaos of wars that are fought on behalf of Israel by the United States as part of the greater strategy of keeping all of Israel's enemies ...[text shortened]... being citizens in a classical liberal republic, not giving up one's religion, language, or culture.
@Philokalia saidPalestine existed a thousand years before Christianity. You are mistaken.
I know they are distinct - Hebrews (who no longer exist) are not Levantine Arabs.
My theory is that a significant amount of Jews remained in the Holy Land or returned to it shortly after, and lots of them converted to Christianity because they saw that, when the veil was rent and the Second Temple thereafter shortly fell, [i]persisting in Judaism was actually incorrect ...[text shortened]... rews in the classical sense. They were Palestinians.
The Christians were the first Palestinians.
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@Philokalia saidNations existed (e.g. the Table of Nations in Genesis) but Nation-States did not.
This is somewhat disputable. Of course, you are right that political structures could be quite different, but it was also the case that we know they treated certain classes of peopple as barbarians, or beneath them. There is some talk of the Egyptians having something of a race war with the Nubians.
Tribes waged battles that were based on extermination.
The Celtic ...[text shortened]... ethnos as a barrier that could soemtimes not be easily penetrated and could result in violence.[/i]
Genesis 13 Egypt fathered Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim, 14 Pathrusim, Casluhim (from whom the Philistines came), and Caphtorim.
"Egypt fathered" the Philistines in that when the Philistines attacked Egypt, they were defeated and then settled in Palestine which was Egyptian territory, not Semitic territory. The Jews and Arabs were all deep inland, not on the Mediterranean coast. The Mediterranean at the time was a Greek lake. Other significant events that happened in the eastern Mediterranean in the BCE years include the Trojan War and Alexander the Great's conquests. Greeks were putting down colonies all over the Mediterranean at that time.
When the Sopranos went to Naples Tony had a conversation about the local Greek oracle. "The Greeks were here! Way before the Romans" says the local Camorra boss.
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@AThousandYoung said
The USA didn't HAVE to do anything. The USA CHOSE to suppress Iran's nuclear program because they don't want Iranian Assassins sneaking in a nuke and taking out a crowded football stadium like in that Tom Clancy book (I think it was The Sum of All Fears, I enjoyed it immensely). Maybe if Iran wouldn't kidnap our people and chant "Death to America" all the time and in ...[text shortened]... conomy we'd be more trusting of them but they're really kinda sus and we don't want to take chances.
Looks like the Iranian Assassin character was from Executive Orders. I'm confusing two Tom Clancy books. But the point remains.
@AThousandYoung saidI have heard it argued that both the Philistines and Jews were descended from different Mediterranean Sea Peoples, and the Jews being descended from the Hyksos who are debatably a Sea People seems pretty common. I've also heard that the Philistines were just a Phoenician adjacent society, and that the Hebrews also were, basically, such a society, and linguistically linked to them.
Nations existed (e.g. the Table of Nations in Genesis) but Nation-States did not.Genesis 13 Egypt fathered Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim, 14 Pathrusim, Casluhim (from whom the Philistines came), and Caphtorim.
"Egypt fathered" the Philistines in that when the Philistines attacked Egypt, they were defeated and then settled in Palestine which wa ...[text shortened]... ay before the Romans" says the local Camorra boss.
[youtube Sopranos Oracle]jiyBTBp0QQs[/youtube]
I do not know - it's good, though, that we are in some areas that really matter and are simultaneously a bit obscure. At least in the sense that they are not often talked about.
@AThousandYoung saidBut I believe the Philistine peoples are distinct from modern Palestinians. It is hard to imagine a Palestinian that was a classical pagan.
Palestine existed a thousand years before Christianity. You are mistaken.
And this is also worth talking about: are the Jews who have the Talmud truly reflective of the Hebrews who did not have such a series of books?
@AThousandYoung saidIn the last few decades, the number of Christians is vanishing solely because of Western foreign policy that endangers them.
The number of Christians is vanishingly small in these regions because the Islamic Caliphate made Christians pay extra taxes.
Both Assad and Hussein were actually friends of Christians in terms of how they were treated and the respect that they were given in soceity. One of the most important thinkers in Arab nationalism and Ba'athism, Michel Aflaq, was a Syrian Christian intellectual.
Today, the Christians of Palestine are oppressed by the Israelis. The publicly verifiable statements about this can all be seen on Tucker Carlson who has had two different segments which expose the Israeli government to criticism for their treatment of the local Christians.
@AThousandYoung saidWe have to correct the Israel problem since we created it and it is what anchors us to the region and creates bad blood with the Arab states there.
It sounds like you want the USA to meddle in the region even more, not less!
It's the albatross around our neck.
@AThousandYoung saidI've never hard of USCPR, though. What is your argument on this?
AIPAC is no different than any other ethnic lobby group. For example, USCPR.
Obviously, big pharma and other lobbies are influential and can sink politicians. But the one thing that routinely gets people sunk is their stance on Israel. People are primary'd over this - it happens even to democrats who are popular among the local constituency like Ilhan Omar.