@Philokalia saidThey had that in Germany and it didn't work.
I would clarify that I would only abolish the government, and I would not agree to doing that unless I knew that it was transitioning into a new situation where the Jews of Israel would be allowed to stay as equal citizens with equal rights and a system was in place operated by people that would guarantee this.
@AThousandYoung saidThe difference is that the Nazis took power through seizing democratic institutions and nothing about the situation was ever designed to account for the transition into a state where Jews no longer had full control over the local Palestinians.
They had that in Germany and it didn't work.
@AThousandYoung saidThe US had to intervene and intensely bomb several locations and call it a day, at which point Iran agreed to end the 14-day war.We stopped the Iranians from obliterating Tel Aviv.
LOL Iran was never capable of obliterating Tel Aviv. Don't be silly.Israel requires the US to be able to have the Iron Dome.
I think you mean the US needs Israel if the US wants to be able to have the Iron Dome. Israel invented it...
Why?
Because they would lose in the long run to a regime that has underground factories and can strike Tel Aviv at will. A regime that has also developed hypersonic missiles that are unstoppable:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/has-iran-beaten-america-and-israel-in-the-race-for-hypersonic-weapons/ar-AA1LjQdm?ocid=BingNewsSerp
The Chinese military analysts referred to Iran's situation as "strong spear, weak shield." THey are missing the air defense assets necessary to completely guard their skies and territory. However, they are capable of wrecking Israel - and did so. And they shall do it again.
Which, again, is why Israel is completely dependant on the US.
@AThousandYoung saidNo, the Palestinians certainly have some admixture from Bedouins and various other Arabs. But they are largely descended from the original Hebrews who converted to Christianity or remained Jewish then converted to Islam.
Palestinians are the children of settlers from places like Saudi Arabia and Iraq. So what?
@Philokalia saidYou still cling to the strawman that being Jewish or "a Hebrew" is based purely on genetics.
This is a great reference to the fact that Iraq comes from Uruk. However, the Iraqis are Iraqis, not Urukis. The Iraqis have also experinced massive demographic changes over the years.
So have the Spartans, the Athenians, the Corinthians. And that is fine.
The title of Spartan remains... But the whole area is less populated today than back when it was a power in th ...[text shortened]... ginal Spartans than them to get their land back...[/i]
Now there's something worth talking about.
Did you know forced assimilation is genocide?
Once you come to understand that concept then maybe you'll understand what I'm actually saying.
BTW Indigenous Iraqis are also known as Assyrians. They're not "Muslim Arab Iraqis" they are mostly Christians who speak Aramaic. The percent of Arab in their blood is of minor importance in this context.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_people
@Philokalia saidIt sounds like you're saying they don't have any Palestinian blood. Or are you still incorrectly conflating "Levantine" with "Hebrew"?
No, the Palestinians certainly have some admixture from Bedouins and various other Arabs. But they are largely descended from the original Hebrews who converted to Christianity or remained Jewish then converted to Islam.
@Philokalia saidThe USA didn't HAVE to do anything. The USA CHOSE to suppress Iran's nuclear program because they don't want Iranian Assassins sneaking in a nuke and taking out a crowded football stadium like in that Tom Clancy book (I think it was The Sum of All Fears, I enjoyed it immensely). Maybe if Iran wouldn't kidnap our people and chant "Death to America" all the time and instead invested in our economy we'd be more trusting of them but they're really kinda sus and we don't want to take chances.
The US had to intervene and intensely bomb several locations and call it a day, at which point Iran agreed to end the 14-day war.
Why?
Because they would lose in the long run to a regime that has underground factories and can strike Tel Aviv at will. A regime that has also developed hypersonic missiles that are unstoppable:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ha ...[text shortened]... id so. And they shall do it again.
Which, again, is why Israel is completely dependant on the US.
@Philokalia saidAnd that couldn't happen with Arab Muslim Palestinians right? They can be trusted.
The difference is that the Nazis took power through seizing democratic institutions and nothing about the situation was ever designed to account for the transition into a state where Jews no longer had full control over the local Palestinians.
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@Philokalia saidKiss my pure white Aryan nutsack. I am from a Hispanic White Criollo Californio family. About 50% Spanish. I have Irish and Mormon Anglo blood in me. Possibly a little French from Maximilian's time. Tengo limpieza de sangre. No Mexican, no Filipino, no Semitic, no African, no East Asian blood. I look like Emilio Estevez. Martin Sheen AKA Ramon Estevez could be my father and Cameron Diaz could be my sister. The most famous person with my family name in history was a high level Inquisitor.
BTW I think you might be Jewish, and that's wonderful. But it does mean that there is a bias. And that is also fine - who is unbiased in this world of ours? Basically nobody.
I am not Italian or Jewish. So I feel unbiased when I say that the ancient Hebrews and the old Romans certainly have descendants among us today, but that they are gone as a nation-state, and their ...[text shortened]... rn Roman Empire quite late, and that by the year 650... "Roman" was no longer a meaningful category.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Hispanic_people
Now that you've made an obnoxious assumption about me personally, where YOU from ese?
Following links not work safe but not offensive
What hood do YOU claim?
Nvm you told me already so I'll point it out. Your biases are those of an Anglo-Saxon who converted to Orthodox Christianity. I forget who your "Spiritual Father" was. Greek or something like that. WAIT I think you live in South Korea...right?
@Rajk999 saidIsrael is a cancer that will grow if not removed.
The only religion I know that promotes death to unbelievers, apostates, Jews and all other religions is Islam. So you are sadly mistaken and delusional. The world is watching Islam. The Jews do not promote such evil.
They want to take over the middle east.
That is why everybody in the middle east hates Israel. They know.
The only religion that believes they are god's chosen people so they can rule over all other races and steal their land is Judaism. Evil.
@Philokalia saidThe Romans did not have nation states until the last few centuries. Neither did the Jews or the Palestinians. Romans had a City-State Kingdom, then a Republic, then an Empire, and then went back to City-States and other local entities.
BTW I think you might be Jewish, and that's wonderful. But it does mean that there is a bias. And that is also fine - who is unbiased in this world of ours? Basically nobody.
I am not Italian or Jewish. So I feel unbiased when I say that the ancient Hebrews and the old Romans certainly have descendants among us today, but that they are gone as a nation-state, and their ...[text shortened]... rn Roman Empire quite late, and that by the year 650... "Roman" was no longer a meaningful category.
Nationalism is a modern phenomenon dating back only a couple centuries at most.
@AThousandYoung saidThis is somewhat disputable. Of course, you are right that political structures could be quite different, but it was also the case that we know they treated certain classes of peopple as barbarians, or beneath them. There is some talk of the Egyptians having something of a race war with the Nubians.
The Romans did not have nation states until the last few centuries. Neither did the Jews or the Palestinians. Romans had a City-State Kingdom, then a Republic, then an Empire, and then went back to City-States and other local entities.
Nationalism is a modern phenomenon dating back only a couple centuries at most.
Tribes waged battles that were based on extermination.
The Celtic identity of the Gauls was a major sticking point, and the Iberians also very fiercely resisted the Romans, understanding that submission to Rome would also have them becoming second class citizens. Of course, eventually Rome liberalizes, and citizenship is often extended to non-Ethnics, perhaps most famously in the figure of St. Paul... But again, we are talking righ tnow about how there was not a developed concept of the nation, yet the Hebrews were ethnically cleansed from their homeland by the Romans? Surely there is some concept of ethnos.
St. Paul also writes that there is neither Jew nor Greek in the Epistles.
WHile the nation-state had not yet been developed, and while there are fantastic examples of multicultural society, it is also the case that there remained some concept of ethnos as a barrier that could soemtimes not be easily penetrated and could result in violence.
@AThousandYoung saidYes
Kiss my pure white Aryan nutsack. I am from a Hispanic White Criollo Californio family. About 50% Spanish. I have Irish and Mormon Anglo blood in me. Possibly a little French from Maximilian's time. Tengo limpieza de sangre. No Mexican, no Filipino, no Semitic, no African, no East Asian blood. I look like Emilio Estevez. Martin Sheen AKA Ramon Estevez could be ...[text shortened]... Spiritual Father" was. Greek or something like that. WAIT I think you live in South Korea...right?
@AThousandYoung saidIt could happen, you are right, which is why it is best if it is done with US oversight, so to speak.
And that couldn't happen with Arab Muslim Palestinians right? They can be trusted.
I absolutely don't want that to happen.
@AThousandYoung saidThe embassy hostage crisis is very, very old news.
The USA didn't HAVE to do anything. The USA CHOSE to suppress Iran's nuclear program because they don't want Iranian Assassins sneaking in a nuke and taking out a crowded football stadium like in that Tom Clancy book (I think it was The Sum of All Fears, I enjoyed it immensely). Maybe if Iran wouldn't kidnap our people and chant "Death to America" all the time and in ...[text shortened]... conomy we'd be more trusting of them but they're really kinda sus and we don't want to take chances.
We completely intervened because US politicians are beholden to AIPAC. Those who are remotely critical of Israel end up being actively opposed in primaries and will get outfunded in a heartbeat.
I am not sure to what extent you doubt that or endorse that... So, tell me. What do you think of AIPAC?