@Rajk999 saidWhen Palestinians say that they want to have a state from the river to the sea, it means "genocide of Jews.'
Yeah .. it is dumb to put in your Charter that you want to kill all Jews. I notice you dont call that racist. The rest of your post is nonsense.
Whats going on is karma on a grand scale. You want Jews dead, and you rape, kill and kidnap, and abuse. .. then dont cry now. Arab Palestinians are an evil sick bunch, and I have no pity for them.
When Israelis say it, however, it does not mean genocide of Palestinians. It is an honest, innocent statement.
Rajk feels he is able to say this because he has moral superiority, but what does he do with this moral superiority? Immediately tries to cash it in to justify ethnic cleansing, claiming that he is the hated minority.
This is just insanity, IMO.
He also cannot answer a single question that I put to him. He refuses to do so. Why? Because he would then have to admit to himself and to the forum that he is just advancign a might makes right philosophy without any real moral principle.
@Philokalia saidSorry to interrupt but I'm seeing some typing patterns that support my suspicion that you are deeply embedded in mainland Asian discussions and exposed to their propaganda.
When Palestinians say that they want to have a state from the river to the sea, it means "genocide of Jews.'
When Israelis say it, however, it does not mean genocide of Palestinians. It is an honest, innocent statement.
Rajk feels he is able to say this because he has moral superiority, but what does he do with this moral superiority? Immediately tries to cash it i ...[text shortened]... the forum that he is just advancign a might makes right philosophy without any real moral principle.
You are switching to the third person which implies you are addressing the entire community instead of having a one-on-one conversation that others are allowed to read (the latter is the typical Western style we usually see here). In a post directed at Rajk specifically you use his name in the third person to criticize him as though you are trying to accumulate more support by denouncing him publicly.
In China and Russia - the giant Communist/Former Communist countries of mainland Asia, whoever has more people backing them wins regardless of truth. It's how they leveraged their enormous populations to overwhelm more technologically advanced Western powers. I find people who are living in close proximity to these powers have this different "third person" style of debate.
Duchess64 used to do the same thing. So did that Estonian physicist who occasionally posts in Debates.
@AThousandYoung saidI appreciate this post - +1 for ya - but let me say that I have resorted to this largely because of the fact that he just doesn't try to answer my questions and engage me on this, specifically in trying to get him to confront the fact that a lot of his morality just sounds like might makes right.
Sorry to interrupt but I'm seeing some typing patterns that support my suspicion that you are deeply embedded in mainland Asian discussions and exposed to their propaganda.
You are switching to the third person which implies you are addressing the entire community instead of having a one-on-one conversation that others are allowed to read (the latter is the typical ...[text shortened]... hess64 used to do the same thing. So did that Estonian physicist who occasionally posts in Debates.
I am sure I was rude to you in some ways, largely unintentionally, heed you..! But you will answer the hard questions and face the narrative I bring forward directly and advance your own on the side...
Rajk chooses to only engage what he wants to engage, and this has become frustrating and has made my own style of engaging him more combative and accusatory than it should be.
Thanks for calling me out on it... And I will consciously try to avoid it more.
@Philokalia saidNo you weren't rude at all. I was as is my style a bit aggressive and you handled it in stride. Interestingly Rajk also handles my aggression calmly and rationally. This is another way you two are very similar.
I appreciate this post - +1 for ya - but let me say that I have resorted to this largely because of the fact that he just doesn't try to answer my questions and engage me on this, specifically in trying to get him to confront the fact that a lot of his morality just sounds like might makes right.
I am sure I was rude to you in some ways, largely unintentionally, ...[text shortened]... an it should be.
Thanks for calling me out on it... And I will consciously try to avoid it more.
I appeal to the audience too but it's the way it's written that jumps out at me. I'll say something like "you refuse to accept the truth of what I say but all the people reading this post can see my point" when I do it. I don't go like "Philokalia refuses to accept the truth. He tries to..."
@AThousandYoung saidThis guy is a young and modern (half) indigenous Egyptian Copt who I like (he's half white American of some sort apparently):
Guess what?
Athenians and Spartans still exist. Ethnic Egyptians too (the non Arabized ones call themselves Copts). Iraqis still exist, just as in ancient Uruk (Iraq = Uruk). China's still there. I wonder if you would lecture the Han Chinese about how they're not really the people who invented gunpowder, paper, crossbows, compasses etc? Persians still exist (Ira ...[text shortened]... ongolia and the Irish are still Gaelic Celts.
Isn't it amazing how cultures don't just disappear?
@AThousandYoung saidA Copt I know told me that even Muslims have to acknowledge that the Copts are the descendents of the authentic ancient Egyptian race, since Muslims intermarried with all of the Arabs who had come as part of the conquests, and female Egyptian Christians who had Muslim husbands could only give birth to Muslim children...
This guy is a young and modern (half) indigenous Egyptian Copt who I like (he's half white American of some sort apparently):
[youtube Metta Beshay Egyptian Race]fMUSaKndifs[/youtube]
Resultingly, only those born of Egyptian males who are non-Muslim, which in this case are universally Christian descent as no strains of paganism could legally survive under Islamic rule, can make any claim to be pure Egyptian and non-Arab...
Which... Is an interesting set of claims,lol, idk. Like, I see how you would want to be able to say that. But, having said that, there si zero shame in being descended from badass Arabs, either.
Every heritage is wonderful.
And I appreciated hearing about your heritage, ATY.
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@Philokalia saidYou are a Fu..king dunce. I pointed out to you ssome weeks ago that in the Hamas Charter of 1988 there was a clear statement to kill Jews, supported by verses from the Quran. Google it. It has nothing to do from 'the river to the sea' nonsense. Also that is not an expression used by the Jews.
When Palestinians say that they want to have a state from the river to the sea, it means "genocide of Jews.'
When Israelis say it, however, it does not mean genocide of Palestinians. It is an honest, innocent statement.
Rajk feels he is able to say this because he has moral superiority, but what does he do with this moral superiority? Immediately tries to cash it i ...[text shortened]... the forum that he is just advancign a might makes right philosophy without any real moral principle.
I do not intend to answer your dozens of childish questions.
@Rajk999 saidA lot of 'em 🙂
What question did I not answer.
But the last one was - why do you condone the Israeli aggression as side effects of war (when we know they deliberately targeted women and children who had nothing to do with Hamas' actions), but you condemn similar Hamas action, when Hamas' claim is also that they are at war with the colonizers who are creating illegal settlements every other day on their land?
Why the double standard? People like me have shown the maturity to condemn violence on both sides, while you dont!
@sameeh saidI do not know that IDF deliberately targets women and children. I do know that Hamas targeted women and children. There is video evidence to prove that.
A lot of 'em 🙂
But the last one was - why do you condone the Israeli aggression as side effects of war (when we know they deliberately targeted women and children who had nothing to do with Hamas' actions), but you condemn similar Hamas action, when Hamas' claim is also that they are at war with the colonizers who are creating illegal settlements every other day on their l ...[text shortened]... standard? People like me have shown the maturity to condemn violence on both sides, while you dont!
I believe that the Jews should remove all Muslim settlements like Gaza and West Bank and bring these under their control. These are just breeding grounds for terrorism.
I dont need to explain anything further
@Rajk999 saidI gave you the evidence that IDF deliberately targeted women and children Just google, and you will get hundreds more of credible reports from independent journalists and observers of instances where IDF has targeted innocent civilians, even people queuing up for aid.
I do not know that IDF deliberately targets women and children. I do know that Hamas targeted women and children. There is video evidence to prove that.
I believe that the Jews should remove all Muslim settlements like Gaza and West Bank and bring these under their control. These are just breeding grounds for terrorism.
I dont need to explain anything further
Of course, if you pretend not to see, you wouldnt know.
@sameeh saidYou dont understand. I dont care. I dont give a damn about Islam and Muslims especially the terrorist extremist type. They can go to hell. Rhey are evil SOB. they kill Christians, they rape women, they kill unbelievers they marry 6 yr olds and they are goat-f..kers. Many of these sickos have boasted openly that they are going to take over the west and destroy life in this part of the world.
I gave you the evidence that IDF deliberately targeted women and children Just google, and you will get hundreds more of credible reports from independent journalists and observers of instances where IDF has targeted innocent civilians, even people queuing up for aid.
Of course, if you pretend not to see, you wouldnt know.
I hope you got it now.
@Rajk999 saidIn a nutshell, you don't care about justice or decency. You just hate muslims, and will go to any length, even killing them.
You dont understand. I dont care. I dont give a damn about Islam and Muslims especially the terrorist extremist type. They can go to hell. Rhey are evil SOB. they kill Christians, they rape women, they kill unbelievers they marry 6 yr olds and they are goat-f..kers. Many of these sickos have boasted openly that they are going to take over the west and destroy life in this part of the world.
I hope you got it now.
Your entire viewpoint about the Israel-Palestine is colored with this hate.
Thank you for admiting as much. I have nothing more to prove, so I am done with this debate now 🙂