@Philokalia saidhttps://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
How so?
It would explain their allegiance very elegantly.
Here's what's weird: believing in the ethnic nationalism that enables the genocide of a different ethnic group...
But you aren't even that ethnicity.
Like imagine me coming here and talking about maybe the Turks had a very good reason to do what they did to the Armenians..!
Wouldn't you wonder if I was Turkish or something?
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Irish Americans put on green pimp suits, began carrying blackthorn pimp sticks and took over the illegal gambling and whiskey rackets. They worked their way up to the Presidency and sent their pots of gold and automatic weapons from over the rainbow to the provos in Ireland.
It's no different with Israel.
First step on this road - STOP PROTECTING YOUR BOMBS WITH YOUR CHILDREN and send the kids to America instead.
@Rajk999 saidSo if it was all out war, then why do you lament the kidnappings and killings done by Hamas? After all - anything is justified in war, is what you say?
Who cares if Palestinians support Hamas? How is that relevant in a war? How TF is that relevant ... Lol . Can you people even see through your hypocrisy.
Did any Hamas terrorist ask any of the Jewish women and children they raped and murdered if they support IDF or the Knesset?
In which war does anyone go around asking the opposing side which side are they on. In no war is the answer....... you damn fool.
@sameeh saidI am not lamenting. You are the one lamenting the slaughter of Palestinian Arabs and destruction of Gaza. I say it is well deserved. Let it continue until the war is over.
So if it was all out war, then why do you lament the kidnappings and killings done by Hamas? After all - anything is justified in war, is what you say?
@Rajk999 saidYou didnt answer my question still.
I am not lamenting. You are the one lamenting the slaughter of Palestinian Arabs and destruction of Gaza. I say it is well deserved. Let it continue until the war is over.
You say everything Israel does can be condoned since it is damage done during war. Why wouldnt you hold the Hamas action to the same standard?
@sameeh saidHamas started a war, which violated the guidelines of the Geneva Convention. Because of that, there are no rules, and they are reaping what they have sown. I have no pity for them, and I hope all terrorists and their supporters die. Then maybe a new day of peace will emerge. I will not answer again. This discussion is over for me.
You didnt answer my question still.
You say everything Israel does can be condoned since it is damage done during war. Why wouldnt you hold the Hamas action to the same standard?
@Rajk999 saidFrom the Hamas perspective though, they were already at war. Israel was doing illegal occupation and expansion of the settlements. Also imposing the long standing Gaza blockade.
Hamas started a war, which violated the guidelines of the Geneva Convention. Because of that, there are no rules, and they are reaping what they have sown. I have no pity for them, and I hope all terrorists and their supporters die. Then maybe a new day of peace will emerge. I will not answer again. This discussion is over for me.
So there...
If you really think this discussion is over for you, i cant force you to continue. Feel free to run away when you dont have answers 🙂
@sameeh saidIm done because whenever these discussions run too long my chess suffers. I went from 1600 to 1400. Got to concentrate on my moves. Start another thread in about 4 weeks when the Gaza reconstruction starts. I will participate.
From the Hamas perspective though, they were already at war. Israel was doing illegal occupation and expansion of the settlements. Also imposing the long standing Gaza blockade.
So there...
If you really think this discussion is over for you, i cant force you to continue. Feel free to run away when you dont have answers 🙂
@AThousandYoung saidI don't think you should interpret this as a personal attack!
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
I am implying something, though... That there is a stranglehold over the narrative by the Israeli lobby, often powered by Jewish oligarchs, intellectuals, journalists, etc., that all come together to use their resources to advocate these positions. They are comparatively far more influential than the Middle Easterners in the Western world who often come as immigrants and just do not have connections.
Many Western Christians have a sort of antipathy towards Muslims. I disagree with them having this, as I would dsiagree with being hostile towards Jews or any other group. yes, they are different from us, and our histories have put us at odds on occasion, and we certainly do not agree about a bunch of stuff... But why have any enmity with anyone, right?
And this all plays into the Westerners consenting to their resources being used for the Zionist project.
What is kind of funny, though, is that nobody ever talks about it in this light. It is even more common for people to imply that the West was interested in the Zionist project solely as a means of removing Jews from their society, which is an interesting way of shifting the discussion to something more benign to Zionism.
@AThousandYoung saidSure, why not.
Maybe Palestinians should work harder to accumulate influence in the USA if they want America's friendship for their home nation.
But it is also the case that Israel is cooked in the long run. Jonathan Greenblatt was ranting about this - of course the ADL cares about Israel, it's not just about managing the public perception of Jews in America, in fact, that is probably primarily not what it is about since racism towards Jews is not a big problem in America, and oddly enough, whatever increases in this that may be happening is likely tied directly to Israel.
Without doing anything other than posting on the internet, the tide is turning against Israel because it is on the wrong side of history, full stop.
@AThousandYoung saidIt's OK if we end the discussion here or something. The topic is not going away anytime soon.
It is a non-serious but logical consequence of your non-serious position.
Do you have any final statements you would like to make?
@Philokalia saidYa that's why I mostly stopped replying to your posts. We've said our say.
It's OK if we end the discussion here or something. The topic is not going away anytime soon.
Do you have any final statements you would like to make?
@Philokalia saidYeah .. kinda weird that people try to avoid those who want to kill them, or spoil their lives in some way ... strange.
I don't think you should interpret this as a personal attack!
I am implying something, though... That there is a stranglehold over the narrative by the Israeli lobby, often powered by Jewish oligarchs, intellectuals, journalists, etc., that all come together to use their resources to advocate these positions. They are comparatively far more influential than the Middle ...[text shortened]... ety,[/i] which is an interesting way of shifting the discussion to something more benign to Zionism.