@Rajk999 saidWhat I get from you is that
You are really a confused individual, and you dont seem to be able to put things in order. They reason why they lost the land has nothing to do with their failure as a people.
Here is how it went down..
- The British Empire took over from the Ottoman
- The British divided the land between two warring parties
- The Jews accepted the partition and the Arabs did not
...[text shortened]... ered and suceeded
- The Arabs made war and subsquently lost land to the Jews
Hope you got that.
- The British imperialists have a right to give the land to the Jews because "power."
- The Jews get the land because "power."
Which begs the question... if the USA invaded out of the blue and put an end to this violent, murderous, genocidal Jewish state and declared the land now belongs to the Palestinians, or simply that both parties will live there under a constitution which prohibits racial and religious discrimination and also restores historic homes and lands to the Arabs, would that be just and acceptable?
I think you need to answer this question because it will tell you everything you need to know about the basis of your own justification for the ownership of Palestine by Jewish Zionists.
@Philokalia saidIsrael can steal nuclear material from the USA and get away with it.
What I get from you is that
- The British imperialists have a right to give the land to the Jews because "power."
- The Jews get the land because "power."
Which begs the question... if the USA invaded out of the blue and put an end to this violent, murderous, genocidal Jewish state and declared the land now belongs to the Palestinians, or simply that both parties ...[text shortened]... to know about the basis of your own justification for the ownership of Palestine by Jewish Zionists.
Nobody in the news media seems to want to discuss it.
https://thegrayzone.com/2025/08/15/cias-angleton-israeli-spy-ring-files/
Looks like the USA is Israel's bitch.
@Philokalia saidWrong. Arab Palestinians are not the rightful owners of Palestine.
They refused the deal because it would relinquish their claim as the rightful owners of all the land, though, right.
You certainly see how that is a very significant way to disagree with it.
If a thief steals $5 million from you, but offers you back $2 million to get you to accept the arrangement that he keeps $3 million...
WOuldn't that be foolish to accept?
In 1910, the rightful owner of Palestine was the Ottoman Empire.
In 1915, the rightful owner of Palestine was the British Empire.
@Metal-Brain saidWho cares, except people like you.
Israel can steal nuclear material from the USA and get away with it.
Nobody in the news media seems to want to discuss it.
https://thegrayzone.com/2025/08/15/cias-angleton-israeli-spy-ring-files/
Looks like the USA is Israel's bitch.
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@Philokalia saidif the USA invaded out of the blue and put an end to this violent, murderous, genocidal Jewish state
What I get from you is that
- The British imperialists have a right to give the land to the Jews because "power."
- The Jews get the land because "power."
Which begs the question... if the USA invaded out of the blue and put an end to this violent, murderous, genocidal Jewish state and declared the land now belongs to the Palestinians, or simply that both parties ...[text shortened]... to know about the basis of your own justification for the ownership of Palestine by Jewish Zionists.
There is no violent murderous genocidal Jewish state..
and declared the land now belongs to the Palestinians,
The US can declare whatever they like.
Nobody can ever move the Jews from Israel. Not even the US.
You are delusional.
@Rajk999 saidSo what about a scenario where they just end the murderous Zionist government, and allow the Jews remain as part of a new, democratic government?
if the USA invaded out of the blue and put an end to this violent, murderous, genocidal Jewish state
There is no violent murderous genocidal Jewish state..
and declared the land now belongs to the Palestinians,
The US can declare whatever they like.
Nobody can ever move the Jews from Israel. Not even the US.
You are delusional.
Is that "possible?"
(There is a lot more wrong with your post, but I am just trying to broaden the discussion and make some points.)
@Rajk999 saidWho is the rightful owner of your car?
Wrong. Arab Palestinians are not the rightful owners of Palestine.
In 1910, the rightful owner of Palestine was the Ottoman Empire.
In 1915, the rightful owner of Palestine was the British Empire.
- You.
- A thief.
If a thief offers you a ride-sharing program and says he will get it all weekend but he will carpool with you to and from work on weekdays, is that a deal you would be interested in?
@Philokalia saidThat didn't work well for them in Germany. They are unlikely to trust such a situation.
So what about a scenario where they just end the murderous Zionist government, and allow the Jews remain as part of a new, democratic government?
Is that "possible?"
(There is a lot more wrong with your post, but I am just trying to broaden the discussion and make some points.)
@AThousandYoung saidSo it is justifiable for Jews to move en masse to a specific region in the Middle East and ethnically cleanse the land because it is sensible for them to not trust the locals, who they just kicked off their land?
That didn't work well for them in Germany. They are unlikely to trust such a situation.
This is perfect logic for any colonialism.
"We've suffered and we are tired, and now that we have shown up and begun displacing you, I assure you, we can't trust you, so we will not share a state with you and must further remove you."
You could steal something and then justify never giving it back because you are certain you would face punishment if you came forward, and ... that would be unfair.
@Philokalia saidFirst of all you left out the part about needing to be indigenous to the land via culture, language, genetics and history in order to form a nation-state. Secondly you are changing the subject from what is possible in the future to judging what happened in the past.
So it is justifiable for Jews to move en masse to a specific region in the Middle East and ethnically cleanse the land because it is sensible for them to not trust the locals, who they just kicked off their land?
This is perfect logic for any colonialism.
"We've suffered and we are tired, and now that we have shown up and begun displacing you, I assure you ...[text shortened]... you are certain you would face punishment if you came forward, and ... [i]that would be unfair.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_nationalism
The central tenet of ethnic nationalists is that "nations are defined by a shared heritage, which usually includes a common language, a common faith, and a common ethnic ancestry"...
...The central political tenet of ethnic nationalism is that ethnic groups are entitled to self-determination.
We know the indigenous population of Israel and Judah were/are Israelite Semitic Jews who spoke/speak Hebrew. The last few centuries have shown the collapse of Empires and the rise of ethnic Nation-States on their ancestral homelands. This goes for Italy, for Ireland, for Japan, for Mexico, for India, for Germany, for Egypt, for the Philippines and for Israel...etc.
The Ukraine situation is the most modern example of violent ethnic nationalism.
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The above doesn't address Israel specifically but it's about the rise of nationalism as an alternative to imperialism. It's not perfect...I wouldn't call WW2 the triumph of Western Nations over German Imperialism considering Germany was defined by ethnicity and was fighting the British Empire...but the concept of ethnic nationalism is quite accepted as how people organized themselves after the fall of the Empires.
@AThousandYoung
(1) There are "proposition" states, and nations of immigrants, and societies that are not rescinding their ethnic identity as a nation-state but who welcome foreigners.
Israel is not one of these in the classical sense since it was created by mass migration of Jews from throughout the world to begin actively displacing the largely homogeneous local population.
(2) Everybody knows that the Palestinians are Semitic people largely descended from the local Hebrew population. People are just bitter that they converted en masse to Christianity and then to Islam, and that there were very few native Jews in the area by the time the Zionist project was kicked off.
My contention on this is very simple...
- Nobody has the right to forcibly displace the local ethnic group from their historic homeland or to eradicate them. -
This is incredibly un-controversial. It's perhaps the least controversial statement you can make in modern Politics in the West. The fact that there are people in this thread struggling over it is baffling.
@Philokalia saidWhat’s the statute of limitations on this sort of thing?
@AThousandYoung
(1) There are "proposition" states, and nations of immigrants, and societies that are not rescinding their ethnic identity as a nation-state but who welcome foreigners.
Israel is not one of these in the classical sense since it was created by mass migration of Jews from throughout the world to begin actively displacing the largely homogeneous local p ...[text shortened]... Politics in the West. The fact that there are people in this thread struggling over it is baffling.
I mean, I’ve never heard you criticize the English or the Turks for their conquest and displacement in Britain and Constantinople for example so I’m guessing after 500 years we can stop worrying about it?
Israel is willing to wait.
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@Philokalia saidIf the “Muslim Arab Palestinians” want to call themselves Jews and begin speaking Hebrew I’ll encourage Israel to take them in.
@AThousandYoung
(1) There are "proposition" states, and nations of immigrants, and societies that are not rescinding their ethnic identity as a nation-state but who welcome foreigners.
Israel is not one of these in the classical sense since it was created by mass migration of Jews from throughout the world to begin actively displacing the largely homogeneous local p ...[text shortened]... Politics in the West. The fact that there are people in this thread struggling over it is baffling.
Unfortunately for them being Arabs and Palestinians (who are known ethnic groups which are NOT Jews) seems more important.
My recommendation is for them to let go of the whole “Arab” angle and embrace being Palestinians. Then they should push for reclamation of their ancestral cities (the Pentopolis) including Ashdod and Ashkelon.
But nobody cares what I think about it and why should tney?