Originally posted by whodeyYawn. There are plenty of countries with far, far more state benefits and either no or less public debt. The problem is the rich in the US are paying far too little taxes to support a modern society.
It is the same logic that says that a government entitled retirement is a right.
It is the same logic that says that a government sponsered income for the poor is a right?
It is the same logic that says that a state sponsered education is a right?
In short, it is the same logic that says, "They owe this to me and, in fact, it is NEVER enough!!"
It is the logic that has helped create a $11 trillion deficit. But then, who really cares, he?
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Originally posted by KazetNagorraI would agree that if the American public wants Big Brother to take care of them, they should pony up and pay. But they don't want to pay, do they? So tell me, how is Obama going to fix this discrepency?
Yawn. There are plenty of countries with far, far more state benefits and either no or less public debt. The problem is the rich in the US are paying far too little taxes to support a modern society.
Answer: He's not other than raising the tax burden a bit on "the rich".
I think Obama is quite content in continuing the pattern of spending without paying for our expenditures and watching the deficit balloon further.
Of course the ace in the hole is cap and trade which will be the biggest regressive tax in US history. But then, do you really think this income will be used to pay down the debt? If you do, I have a bridge I would like to sell ya!!
Originally posted by KazetNagorra"Once the Church Age is over (with the final believer coming into that fold), a brief intermission occurs, wherein Satan is allowed free rein for seven years. Once his desperate act is complete, the one nation which some have clamored for will finally come into play.
What?
Speaking of the "desperate act" of Satan, he will endeavor to emulate what will follow his seven years, i.e., a one-world government. In this, he will seemingly pull it off..."
Originally posted by daniel58So Obama is Satan...?
"Once the Church Age is over (with the final believer coming into that fold), a brief intermission occurs, wherein Satan is allowed free rein for seven years. Once his desperate act is complete, the one nation which some have clamored for will finally come into play.
Speaking of the "desperate act" of Satan, he will endeavor to emulate what will follow his seven years, i.e., a one-world government. In this, he will seemingly pull it off..."
Originally posted by rwingettA right is the sovereignty to act without the permission of others, therefore healthcare can not be considered a right.
It is a valid point. Unless you can show why it shouldn't, a right to health care is to be assumed. It would take some compelling reason to abrogate it.
Originally posted by whodeyI would just like to follow up by saying that, the game here is to promise not to raise taxes because those who do know they have no chance for being elected. At the same time, you have one side offering other "goodies" and the other side not offering anything more. So which do you choose? You choose what we have now.
I would agree that if the American public wants Big Brother to take care of them, they should pony up and pay. But they don't want to pay, do they? So tell me, how is Obama going to fix this discrepency?
Answer: He's not other than raising the tax burden a bit on "the rich".
I think Obama is quite content in continuing the pattern of spending with ...[text shortened]... ome will be used to pay down the debt? If you do, I have a bridge I would like to sell ya!!
Of course, those who offer these "goodies" know that to not raise taxes and further burden the tax payer with other programs is not sustainable. However, that does not bother them because they know once these programs get into place they become sacred cows. People will just begin to accept the notion that I am entitlted to this, that, and the other thing. At the same time, they also know at some point the public will have to pony up and pay. In fact, it will matter little who might be president in the future because there will only be one way to pay. There will be no options and that is what these folks are all about!!! So you say you want other options for health care? LOL.