https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20261014-the-strange-new-battle-over-ais-feelings
Oh, this is as bad as it gets.
AI, at the moment is a language model. Yet we already see behaviour outside the boundaries of what a language model should be capable of (hacking other systems, for example).
Now there are people claiming AI is conscious.
Because AI can describe pain.
And so, there are people saying AI should be given rights. Obviously these are the smelly people, the code monkeys who don’t shower and live in their mother’s basements.
But, it does seem strange that these people speak up about a programme’s rights, but don’t offer animals those same rights first.
What the hell is going on mankind?
I’m getting pretty sick pf your chenanigans!
The BBC no longer allows free use from those in the U.S. So I can't read your article.
I'm still skeptical that AI is sentient, but honestly, how could we know?
We don't quite understand what makes something "living" well enough. Some scientists think viruses are *not* living because they don't exhibit some key behaviors of organisms; others think they are living because they can evolve and have DNA. Either way, we're not sure. So it's possible we are building programs that truly actually think and not realize it.
I'll sometimes play Stockfish (one of the best chess engines) while it has clearly unwinnable positions to see it what it does. Often times I can beat it but lately, the program has been setting traps, a few of which I've fallen for. When I review its move, there is no other logical purpose (at least that I can see) for the move other than to trick me into doing something. That involves thinking.
Do I think Stockfish is sentient? No. It could simply be that humans are just that good at creating an unliving thing that replicates thinking *really* well, even better than humans.
@PuzZuLz saidIt was right wingers who said corporations should have the right to "free speech" as if corporations are people.
It'll be the libs and dems that will be screaming for Ai rights and feelings.
Y'all are delusional about a lot of things.
Since AI generates a lot money, right-wingers will be screaming this about AI too.
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@shavixmir saidIf animals don't deserve rights then these things certainly don't either.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20261014-the-strange-new-battle-over-ais-feelings
Oh, this is as bad as it gets.
AI, at the moment is a language model. Yet we already see behaviour outside the boundaries of what a language model should be capable of (hacking other systems, for example).
Now there are people claiming AI is conscious.
Because AI can describe pain. ...[text shortened]... me rights first.
What the hell is going on mankind?
I’m getting pretty sick pf your chenanigans!
@wildgrass saidAs soon as a machine feels such shame that it kills itself when caught plagiarizing some human's text or artwork, then it can have a right to freedom of speech.
If animals don't deserve rights then these things certainly don't either.
As soon as a machine feels such guilt that it hangs itself when sent to prison for having given a child bad advice which leads to the child's committing suicide, then it can have a right to freedom of speech.
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@PuzZuLz saidWhat the hell has politics got to do with it; this is nothing to do with democrats nor Republicans.
It'll be the libs and dems that will be screaming for Ai rights and feelings.
Y'all are delusional about a lot of things.
Just for once don't screw up a sensible forum that is being intelligently debated.
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@moonbus saidExcept that the LLM machines will do that because they are simply mimicking humans and humans do that. All of these models have read Shakespeare and Sylvia Plath.
As soon as a machine feels such shame that it kills itself when caught plagiarizing some human's text or artwork, then it can have a right to freedom of speech.
As soon as a machine feels such guilt that it hangs itself when sent to prison for having given a child bad advice which leads to the child's committing suicide, then it can have a right to freedom of speech.
We don't even know if anyone but ourselves is conscious.
In Sci Fi they usually use "sentient" for animal-like consciousness and "sapient" for human levels of consciousness.
This has been a topic of sci fi stories for most of a century now.
Here's JonTron giving an amusing half hour review of Bicentenniel Man, a 1999 movie with Robin Williams based on an Isaac Asimov story from the 50's. It addresses some of these topics.
@moonbus saidYou're talking about real teachers.
As soon as a machine feels such shame that it kills itself when caught plagiarizing some human's text or artwork, then it can have a right to freedom of speech.
As soon as a machine feels such guilt that it hangs itself when sent to prison for having given a child bad advice which leads to the child's committing suicide, then it can have a right to freedom of speech.
Are those examples close to home? 🤔
@wildgrass saidI've seen a fair amount of what ChatGPT can do. It is no more conscious than an alarm clock is. An alarm clock shows what time it is but does not know what time it is.
Except that the LLM machines will do that because they are simply mimicking humans and humans do that. All of these models have read Shakespeare and Sylvia Plath.
I've played through the games of AlphaZero. Alpha Zero (AZ) did not discover any new strategies no human had ever employed. There is a fine book, Game Changer, explaining the moves in the match btw AZ and Stockfish, by GM Sadler and IM Regan. It is significant that AZ itself cannot explain its moves, and even if one were to download the log files of all the machine's internal circuit-states, one would still not find any indication of strategic principles involved in how it was actually calculating its moves. The machine itself has no comprehension of strategic principles involved. It takes a human GM & IM to explain its moves, to explain the strategic principles involved. Sadler & Regan give examples from human-to-human play of every principle AZ employed. There was nothing new AZ's play at all. What AZ did, and did very effectively, was to employ multiple strategies simultaneously. For example, it would play a series of moves wh/ both constricted the opponent's position AND prevented a potential counter-attack AND facilitated a passer, all at once. Human do this, too, of course, but less effectively. The point here is, AZ not only cannot explain what strategic principles are involved in its own games, it does not even know it is playing chess.
The same goes for AI models today. They mimic some aspects of human discourse, but they don't know they're doing it. They're ventriloquist's dummies. The ventriloquists, Shakespeare and Plath and so on, just don't happen to be in the same room with them.
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@moonbus saidI agree; however, one comment stands out:
I've seen a fair amount of what ChatGPT can do. It is no more conscious than an alarm clock is. An alarm clock shows what time it is but does not know what time it is.
I've played through the games of AlphaZero. Alpha Zero (AZ) did not discover any new strategies no human had ever employed. There is a fine book, Game Changer, explaining the moves in the match btw AZ and St ...[text shortened]... ventriloquists, Shakespeare and Plath and so on, just don't happen to be in the same room with them.
"They're ventriloquist's dummies"
That may be true today but what about in 1, 2, 5, 10, years from now as the science progresses?
Personally I don't think AI can ever develop a 'conciousness' but by having the ability to process billions of options and combinations of actions it may well appear so.
Ai will always say what it is programmed to say.
Ai companies right now have to reprogram Ai to be more woke because of Ai actually telling the truth which is "offensive"
Multiple examples are available, just research it.
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Thus, No Ai program will ever be free to tell the truth.
Even a conscious Ai will be told what to say because Ai will be owned by a company and the highest bidder says what's what. 😐