@kevcvs57 saidAnd when they're very graphic, they draw intense criticism... Indeed, I don't recollect any film made by Hollywood that had a very graphic scene in this regard since Deliverance.
Given that rape scenes are included in Hollywood films for entertainment why the shock horror about this. It’s only wrong if you think it’s entertainment, apparently it’s actually a mixture of ‘fly on the wall’ documentary and social commentary.
@philokalia saidIn The Accused, the main character is gang raped on a pool table.
And when they're very graphic, they draw intense criticism... Indeed, I don't recollect any film made by Hollywood that had a very graphic scene in this regard since Deliverance.
There's a brutal homosexual rape in Pulp Fiction.
@kevcvs57 saidThe other instances you quote are without doubt worse. If you are suggesting that we should completely ban child beauty pageants etc I would agree with that completely. The movie (which I haven't seen) sounds closer to the line and challenges where the line should be. However, I have worked with way too many survivors of rape and sexual abuse to be confident that society is drawing the line exactly where it needs to be. The fact that people can easily google child pornography doesn't mean that things which are closer to the line are okay. It means that we have a serious problem with child pornography. We also have an epidemic of children with mental health problems, but the TV campaigns keep telling me that is about needing to talk rather than addressing seriously out of whack social limits and boundaries or funding mental health services...
Well I’m sure that’s true but should I concern myself with the inner motivations of the production team or a minority of viewers who I’m sure could access much worse with a few key strokes on google?
I won’t watch it but I’m not unhappy that enough people did in order to generate the conversation.
How extreme is it in relation to underage beauty pageants or fashion and mak ...[text shortened]... ts and advertisers / manufacturers who use the sexualisation of women and young girls to sell stuff.
@suzianne saidThe lions share of responsibility / blame has to lie with the authorities / governments, who have abdicated their responsibility to reign in stupidity.and the permissiveness for which people clamored. Society in these countries are decaying, rotten and lost. It will only get worse, especially in the USA if the Democrats win. There is a move by these very same sick liberals to demand that kids be allowed to change their sex. Parents are shameless and governments have failed.
I believe the lion's share of responsibility/blame has to lie with the parents of these kids. They need to get their own lives and stop living vicariously through their children.
@philokalia saidIt’s the generalized you.
Do I though..?
You know, the whole group of people who take the blame for the behaviour of the few.
Oh, I’m sure you feel what I’m on about.
@no1marauder - Censoring the subject matter of this film won't make it go away.
This suggests, then, that we should not ban child pornography, either.
@no1marauder saidPlay acting and actually doing the deed are two different things.
In The Accused, the main character is gang raped on a pool table.
There's a brutal homosexual rape in Pulp Fiction.
We do not need 11 year old children being exploited to show us what is wrong with exploitation of children.
@no1marauder saidThe Accused is a very good film, and if I remember correctly, it was only at the very end of the film that we were told what had actually taken place. Difficult to watch and great acting by Jodie Foster.
In The Accused, the main character is gang raped on a pool table.
There's a brutal homosexual rape in Pulp Fiction.
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@earl-of-trumps saidThe girls in the film are actresses too (the one playing the main character is 14 https://www.distractify.com/p/fathia-youssouf-age), so I fail to see any meaningful distinction. As I have pointed out, there are films where characters no older than the ones here commit murder and other types of mayhem, yet I have not heard calls for their banning.
Play acting and actually doing the deed are two different things.
We do not need 11 year old children being exploited to show us what is wrong with exploitation of children.
@earl-of-trumps saidShould we ban films about child pornography even if the film condemns it? That is the equivalent of what you are insisting here.
@no1marauder - Censoring the subject matter of this film won't make it go away.
This suggests, then, that we should not ban child pornography, either.
@no1marauder saidI guess that if the hypothetical film becomes infamous because it unnecessarily uses clips from child pornography that go just close to the current line for censorship, but cut before crossing, then you have a problem that perhaps you should ban. Did they go unnecessarily close to the line to achieve notoriety for commercial reasons? They would probably argue they did it to raise awareness through the shock value but does that always stack up?
Should we ban films about child pornography even if the film condemns it? That is the equivalent of what you are insisting here.
For me the current trend is to edge the line in the wrong direction for commercial reasons under the guise of awareness raising. The issues could have been raised without normalising seeing sexualised behaviour involving children.
It will be interesting to see (in hopefully more enlightened times to come) whether some current child actors and beauty pageant contestants will be filing law suits about what they were asked to do.
@no1marauder saidYes. If you have a film about child pornography and it has to show child pornography
Should we ban films about child pornography even if the film condemns it? That is the equivalent of what you are insisting here.
to makes its point, then they BROKE THE LAW. Ban it.
@no1marauder saidOh, right, I did see Pulp Fiction.
In The Accused, the main character is gang raped on a pool table.
There's a brutal homosexual rape in Pulp Fiction.
I think though, this is the same case as Deliverance, where the trauma is psychological, right, and less about any graphic portrayal.
I would classify what happens in Cuties as a graphic depiction, and not just something that is psychologically inflicted.