@philokalia saidSay there is a picture of a nude woman.
I understand how an adult has every right to sit down and watch unlimited artistic nudity or even smut, sure.]
But the content of Cuties was considered sexualization of children, and it was quite clear. No one is actually over-reacting.
I think that if you, No. 1 marauder, were to sit down and come up with "what is too far?" in terms of having girls under the age o ...[text shortened]... ling clothing, your standard would have been broken by what was filmed and is now airing on Netflix.
Can you differentiate between it being art, being sexual exploitation, being a warning, being educational?
The answer is: context.
Children playing on a slide is children playing on a slide.
Unless the viewer is a paedophile who doesn’t see children playing, but sees young bodies smoothly stroking the steel chute.
Is the intention / context of the movie to sexualize children for paedophiles?
Or is it a drama about sexualization by internet?
You, and many of these right-wing Anon types don’t seem to be able to see the difference.
There’s a famous poster from, I believe, the 70’s. It’s two naked children walking away from the camera, over sand, towards a nuclear explosion.
Is that sexual? Could a paedophile be turned on by two naked children arses?
Is the context nudity? Or is it innocense being destroyed by political choices?
@torunn saidFair enough torunn I wouldn’t watch it either, but the fact that it’s raised the issue to the forefront is a positive.
It is always very difficult to face these things, and I am one of those who can't make it.
It’s clearly a sign of the downward spiral in terms of the objectification of women. I wonder how many people who are going for the jugular of Netflix for putting it out there are against ‘Beauty Pageants’ and especially the underage circuit.
Nah man, you would perhaps have a photo of your kid playing naked on the beach or whatever, sure
You'd not let your kid dress like this and dance for people.
But what can I say...
You'd have to see it, I guess. And until then, I don't appreciate the accusations that the right is over reacting, especially considering that we aren't the ones who treat everyone who disagrees remotely on nature versus nurture as public enemies that must be tracked and ostracized.
@suzianne saidThis isn't like sn expose of something that was happening and thus is the documented footage of it.
So, just to be clear, exposes about tasteless subjects should not be shown? Do you see how that protects the people responsible?
It's apparently a critique of very questionable behavior through creating that same questionable behavior.
Behavior that doesn't need to be graphically depicted
@philokalia saidOh but you do.
Nah man, you would perhaps have a photo of your kid playing naked on the beach or whatever, sure
You'd not let your kid dress like this and dance for people.
But what can I say...
You'd have to see it, I guess. And until then, I don't appreciate the accusations that the right is over reacting, especially considering that we aren't the ones who treat everyone who disagrees remotely on nature versus nurture as public enemies that must be tracked and ostracized.
Snowflakes, DIE, libtards, etc.
The tirade of fear and negativity from the American right is rife with accusations and shoving people into boxes.
@no1marauder saidThe film Little Miss Sunshine was a devastating parody of the pre-pubescent beauty pageant scene.
A brief interview with the writer and Director Maïmouna Doucouré is here: https://www.cineuropa.org/en/interview/390968
An excerpt:
This is most of all an uncompromising portrait of an 11-year-old girl plunged in a world that imposes a series of dictates on her. It was very important not to judge these girls, but most of all to understand them, to listen to them, t ...[text shortened]... a similar result. I think it is urgent that we talk about it, that a debate be had on the subject."
@philokalia saidGiven that rape scenes are included in Hollywood films for entertainment why the shock horror about this. It’s only wrong if you think it’s entertainment, apparently it’s actually a mixture of ‘fly on the wall’ documentary and social commentary.
This isn't like sn expose of something that was happening and thus is the documented footage of it.
It's apparently a critique of very questionable behavior through creating that same questionable behavior.
Behavior that doesn't need to be graphically depicted
@kevcvs57 saidIt's fictional drama. Apparently the creator of it in her first film hadn't learned how to tone down her message sufficiently to appease far right social conservatives in the US.
Given that rape scenes are included in Hollywood films for entertainment why the shock horror about this. It’s only wrong if you think it’s entertainment, apparently it’s actually a mixture of ‘fly on the wall’ documentary and social commentary.
Hopefully, she never does.
@no1marauder
I wonder how many times the child actors rubbed their genitals practicing these moves. I mean, that is what they do, you know, that suggestive hand slide up the crutch, Many Many times, to get it right, I would expect.
THAT is child exploitation right there. But I suppose that is ok as it is meant to send a message, yes? Adults taught them how to do it, to be provocative, good for kids to learn, right, esp young girls to get on in this world.
Do not try to righteously explain this away, I do not care if the film is "in context".
@jimmac saidSuch morality. And admitting it’s void of context.
@no1marauder
I wonder how many times the child actors rubbed their genitals practicing these moves. I mean, that is what they do, you know, that suggestive hand slide up the crutch, Many Many times, to get it right, I would expect.
THAT is child exploitation right there. But I suppose that is ok as it is meant to send a message, yes? Adults taught them how to do it, to b ...[text shortened]... his world.
Do not try to righteously explain this away, I do not care if the film is "in context".
What a strange little world you inhabit.
@kevcvs57 saidIt takes you into a really difficult area. There have been loads of dubious documentaries on porn, people trafficking, prostitution etc that are basically just making money out of people's voyeurism, but using the 'documentary' style to be allowed on mainstream T.V. dramas and movies like this one can be the same regardless of the motives of the writer and the producer.
What just to ensure your sensitivities are not outraged we should shut our eyes to the sexualisation / prostitution of children?
Get off Netflix’s back and start lobbying your congress to look at what diplomatic pressure can be brought to bear on the government that allows a bunch of paedos with cameras access to young children.
Would you really rather not be aware of this stuff?
If you make a movie to highlight contemporary issues regarding exploitation of children and it creates a scandal, you get publicity and you make money. A percentage of people in the production are only doing it for the money. A percentage of people in the audience are watching for all the wrong reasons. You also push the boundaries of what has been allowed in a movie for others to exploit. Maybe deep down the production team also know that, but overlook it through the desire for notoriety or money.
Even on mainstream news items you get the side boob shot of the woman having a mammogram every time breast cancer is mentioned or the silhouette of an x-ray. Ever seen the same on a story about testicular cancer? To be successful you collude with social wishes for voyeurism and deny you did anything other than raise the issues even when it's the news.
I see this as about needing to find a middle ground where you are covering the issues without hiding them, but also you aren't cashing in on people watching and showing your stuff for all the wrong reasons.
I love The Specials song Gangsters in which they are basically singing about the way the music industry will cash in on their protest about the music industry. Of course The Specials then cash in on it's massive success themselves. Double standards aren't always in the writers mind at the outset but...
@jimmac saidObviously the film couldn't have been realistically made with adult actresses playing the girls' roles (though the lead actress was 14 not 11) or by omitting the dance sequences. So basically you are insisting on complete censorship of the subject matter.
@no1marauder
I wonder how many times the child actors rubbed their genitals practicing these moves. I mean, that is what they do, you know, that suggestive hand slide up the crutch, Many Many times, to get it right, I would expect.
THAT is child exploitation right there. But I suppose that is ok as it is meant to send a message, yes? Adults taught them how to do it, to b ...[text shortened]... his world.
Do not try to righteously explain this away, I do not care if the film is "in context".
Not too long ago, Netflix had a movie on depicting child soldiers in a conflict in Africa. The main character (who wasn't any older than the ones in Cuties) was shown engaged in massacres and assorted murders. I do not recall this triggering outrage among right wingers.
Why exactly?
@petewxyz saidWell I’m sure that’s true but should I concern myself with the inner motivations of the production team or a minority of viewers who I’m sure could access much worse with a few key strokes on google?
It takes you into a really difficult area. There have been loads of dubious documentaries on porn, people trafficking, prostitution etc that are basically just making money out of people's voyeurism, but using the 'documentary' style to be allowed on mainstream T.V. dramas and movies like this one can be the same regardless of the motives of the writer and the producer.
I ...[text shortened]... massive success themselves. Double standards aren't always in the writers mind at the outset but...
I won’t watch it but I’m not unhappy that enough people did in order to generate the conversation.
How extreme is it in relation to underage beauty pageants or fashion and make up marketing campaigns aimed at underage girls. For me that’s the real problem and it slips under the social radar. Neither girls nor women should be judged based on their ‘cuteness’ but we’ve tolerated it in the West at an industrial / commercial level for decades. And now because it’s ultimate logic has been shoved in peoples faces it’s a scandal and the network responsible should be sanctioned.
I would suggest people who are rightly uncomfortable with this should boycott Beauty Pageants and advertisers / manufacturers who use the sexualisation of women and young girls to sell stuff.
@shavixmir saidDo I though..?
Oh but you do.
Snowflakes, DIE, libtards, etc.
The tirade of fear and negativity from the American right is rife with accusations and shoving people into boxes.