22 May 08
This is a serious question, what is happening in the streets of the UK? The youth are running riot, knife and gun crime is on the increase, rape and sexual assaults abound and the hands of the police are tied, if they try to crack down on crime then they get attacked by gangs as in Manchester last week. If they do manage to arrest somebody then they cannot infringe their human rights (irrelevant of whether they are an evil murderous so and so) by locking them in a cell without a TV or games console. Even paedophiles and murderers have more rights than their victims and their victims families.
Do our jails really inhibit the criminals from re-offending? Can anybody answer from experience? I admit, I’ve never been in jail so am only typing from what I’ve seen on the news, read in the press and heard in discussions.
Should capital punishment be re-introduced for career criminals, those who cannot be redeemed? Such as the Fred and Rosemary Wests of this Country? Or the Harold Shipmans. Or what of those people that sell Class A drugs to our children outside the school gates? Why should we put up with this?
Just some gentle dinner debate from tonight, any thoughts????
Stay safe!
22 May 08
Originally posted by surtismWhy don't you just outlaw guns? That should work.
This is a serious question, what is happening in the streets of the UK? The youth are running riot, knife and gun crime is on the increase, rape and sexual assaults abound and the hands of the police are tied, if they try to crack down on crime then they get attacked by gangs as in Manchester last week. If they do manage to arrest somebody then they cannot ...[text shortened]... t up with this?
Just some gentle dinner debate from tonight, any thoughts????
Stay safe!
22 May 08
Originally posted by StarValleyWyIm talking about the UK, they are virtually outlawed already.
Why don't you just outlaw guns? That should work.
Outlawing things has not worked for drugs, alcohol (prohibition), prostitution etc. So it would be unlikely to work for guns.
Once Pandora's box has been opened I fear tha it is not easy to close.
22 May 08
Originally posted by surtismOh. So criminals abuse guns. Hmmm...
Im talking about the UK, they are virtually outlawed already.
Outlawing things has not worked for drugs, alcohol (prohibition), prostitution etc. So it would be unlikely to work for guns.
Once Pandora's box has been opened I fear tha it is not easy to close.
I'm being a bit facetious. On a serious note, there is no answer to societal problems wherein a society has no moral center, nor any reason to think it lacks or needs one. I am not picking on the UK. I think the same when I walk the streets of any large city. Cities seem to suck the soul out of humans. I don't know why.
I am a "reluctant atheist" and the reluctance comes from the realization that religious, decent people make better citizens, so for me to be in opposition to that force for moral clarity is quite a pain to my serious side. I don't even mind that their moral views are based on a few false beliefs!
The answer to criminals might have been better handled by our ancestors of a thousand years ago. Allowing criminals to reproduce is probably not the smartest way to solve the problem. But I don't have the heart to incorparate this harshness into my soft life. I feel safe, so I think somebody else will take care of the problem.
Oh! I almost forgot. And I take the job of protecting my family upon myself. I am packin' and proud. Never had to use it, and hope I never will. It is just another duty that falls to adults. We all know that bad guys won't obey gun laws.
23 May 08
Originally posted by surtismThe crime in Los Angeles drives me nuts. I don't think there is an answer.
This is a serious question, what is happening in the streets of the UK? The youth are running riot, knife and gun crime is on the increase, rape and sexual assaults abound and the hands of the police are tied, if they try to crack down on crime then they get attacked by gangs as in Manchester last week. If they do manage to arrest somebody then they cannot ...[text shortened]... t up with this?
Just some gentle dinner debate from tonight, any thoughts????
Stay safe!
23 May 08
Originally posted by surtismIt's the Americans fault.
This is a serious question, what is happening in the streets of the UK? The youth are running riot, knife and gun crime is on the increase, rape and sexual assaults abound and the hands of the police are tied, if they try to crack down on crime then they get attacked by gangs as in Manchester last week. If they do manage to arrest somebody then they cannot ...[text shortened]... t up with this?
Just some gentle dinner debate from tonight, any thoughts????
Stay safe!
23 May 08
Originally posted by surtismNeed someone with a DeathWish
This is a serious question, what is happening in the streets of the UK? The youth are running riot, knife and gun crime is on the increase, rape and sexual assaults abound and the hands of the police are tied, if they try to crack down on crime then they get attacked by gangs as in Manchester last week. If they do manage to arrest somebody then they cannot ...[text shortened]... t up with this?
Just some gentle dinner debate from tonight, any thoughts????
Stay safe!
23 May 08
Originally posted by StarValleyWyAre you a worse citizen than the average theist? Do you have any statistics to back you up? The US has a lot of theists, do they have less crime as a result?
I am a "reluctant atheist" and the reluctance comes from the realization that religious, decent people make better citizens, so for me to be in opposition to that force for moral clarity is quite a pain to my serious side. I don't even mind that their moral views are based on a few false beliefs!
What what I understand, high crime rates go together with:
1. poverty.
2. broken marriages.
3. unwanted pregnancies.
I do not dispute that decent religious people make good citizens, but then so do decent atheists. What I do dispute is that decent theists are decent because of theism.
23 May 08
Originally posted by surtismWell, capital punishment doesn't reduce crime. That's a proven statistic.
This is a serious question, what is happening in the streets of the UK? The youth are running riot, knife and gun crime is on the increase, rape and sexual assaults abound and the hands of the police are tied, if they try to crack down on crime then they get attacked by gangs as in Manchester last week. If they do manage to arrest somebody then they cannot ...[text shortened]... t up with this?
Just some gentle dinner debate from tonight, any thoughts????
Stay safe!
Jailing people for not paying their poll tax isn't exactly a creative solution to anything either.
I think various trends add to violence:
- poverty
- bad role-models within a family (including a lack of a role-model)
- destroying creativity (including stifling it or not promoting it)
- keeping people stupid (which is good for the economy, but not good for social structure)
- Governments setting bad examples (how is it okay for a government to bomb civilians in a country and suggest that murder is wrong?)
What Britain needs to do is do some proper research into the matter. It's all too easy (and Britain tends to come up with solutions without actually researching the problem and its causes) to say: Ban weapons, lock them up, put them in boot camps, etc.
It would be far healthier to start asking questions:
- Why do you use violence?
- What do you need to stop doing it?
- etc.
23 May 08
Originally posted by shavixmirSome humans are violent. Period. It's an unsolvable problem. Poverty contributes to it, but poor people are one of the biggest contributers to poverty due to high fertility and high crime rates which suppress the population's opportunity to advance economically.
Well, capital punishment doesn't reduce crime. That's a proven statistic.
Jailing people for not paying their poll tax isn't exactly a creative solution to anything either.
I think various trends add to violence:
- poverty
- bad role-models within a family (including a lack of a role-model)
- destroying creativity (including stifling it or not pr ...[text shortened]... asking questions:
- Why do you use violence?
- What do you need to stop doing it?
- etc.