Is vigilantism the only answer?

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Yeah, you gotta love Seitse lecturing us from Norway 🙄

Lecturing?

Dude, I was born and raised in an environment 200 times more dangerous than the one you claim to be in hell and afraid.

I know what I'm talking about when claiming honesty, social responsibility and value-oriented leadership, with a huge investment in education, are the best answer.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Yeah, you gotta love Seitse lecturing us from Norway 🙄

Finland is not a place in Norway.

Originally posted by Nordlys
Finland is not a place in Norway.

Hey, it's an American speaking about geography, don't expect too much.

(with all due respect for those Americans who really know that there's a world beyond San Francisco and Corpus Christi)

Originally posted by Nordlys
Finland is not a place in Norway.

Seitse is a "Nordic Hunk". That implied Norway to me, but it looks like it's a more general adjective.

Originally posted by Seitse
Lecturing?

Dude, I was born and raised in an environment 200 times more dangerous than the one you claim to be in hell and afraid.

I know what I'm talking about when claiming honesty, social responsibility and value-oriented leadership, with a huge investment in education, are the best answer.

That's because the environment you were born and raised in has since been made not dangerous by you, right?

Which terribly dangerous environment did you make not dangeorou? I'm curious where you applied your "best answer".

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
That's because the environment you were born and raised in has since been made not dangerous by you, right?

Which terribly dangerous environment did you make not dangeorou? I'm curious where you applied your "best answer".

hahaha, dude, I am realy sorry, but I don't understand your post.

Northern Mexico is STILL the dangerous place I grew up in. It's even worse, thanks to the increasing corruption, the impoverishment of the people, and the violence triggered by the drug gangs which want to keep feeding the drug-hungry U.S. (and Mexican) kids.

Those thugs pick drug dealing because they live in a country where there's no legal and decent option to make a living.

And that's what's happening to your place, dude. Exactly the same.

That is why I think I know the start of the solution, because that's what the kids I grew up with lacked, and know they're in jail or dead: education, health services, opportunities to develop, good and honest leaders, and a healthy enironment to grow.

Originally posted by Seitse
hahaha, dude, I am realy sorry, but I don't understand your post.

Northern Mexico is STILL the dangerous place I grew up in. It's even worse, thanks to the increasing corruption, the impoverishment of the people, and the violence triggered by the drug gangs which want to keep feeding the drug-hungry U.S. (and Mexican) kids.

Those thugs pick drug dealing ...[text shortened]... ces, opportunities to develop, good and honest leaders, and a healthy enironment to grow.

So your "answer" is no answer at all.

Originally posted by Seitse
hahaha, dude, I am realy sorry, but I don't understand your post.

Northern Mexico is STILL the dangerous place I grew up in. It's even worse, thanks to the increasing corruption, the impoverishment of the people, and the violence triggered by the drug gangs which want to keep feeding the drug-hungry U.S. (and Mexican) kids.

Those thugs pick drug dealing ces, opportunities to develop, good and honest leaders, and a healthy enironment to grow.

But reproductive restraint and a work ethic? No, nothing that the individual should do. It's all about how the government should save them. They're passive, these people, right? Just like a rock, completely controlled by the environment. It's a good thing we have the smart people in government to manipulate them into doing what the smart people in government thinks is best for them.

But...didn't you just say there were problems getting "legal" work? That's the government in action!

My "place" is one of the wealthiest places on Earth, with ample opportunities for employment - which is one major reason why people from your place keep coming here. In fact we help fund the rest of the country with our surplus money.

We're one of the biggest economic regions in the Americas.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
So your "answer" is no answer at all.

Education, honesty & opportunities are NOT the answer?!?!?!

Dude, you have no hope. Go buy a gun and be a thug yourself.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
which is one major reason why people from your place keep coming here. In fact we help fund the rest of the country with our surplus money.

We're one of the biggest economic regions in the Americas.

Your region is wealthy thanks to the work of my people.

Originally posted by Seitse
Your region is wealthy thanks to the work of my people.

Then why isn't your region wealthy?

Actually it is fairly wealthy, as are the rest of the border states, in comparison to the rest of Mexico. So are the northern Mexicans more industrious than the southern-central ones or is it the proximity to the US that does it?

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Then why isn't your region wealthy?

Actually it is fairly wealthy, as are the rest of the border states, in comparison to the rest of Mexico. So are the northern Mexicans more industrious than the southern-central ones or is it the proximity to the US that does it?

Southern U.S. and Northen Mexico form a region which is quite distinct from the rest of their respective countries: Culturally, socially, and most of all, economically.

The reasons behind the pverty of the rest of the country are the same as anywhere else: corruption, which is intertwined with undereducation and the doom of its own natural wealth (like the rest of Latin America and the other wealthy parts of the third world). Wealthy regions must be kept subjugated by the exploiters.

Or would you say there's something 'wrong' (like a crime gene) with the Mexicans? C'mon, say it, you're dying to play the ethnic coin, don't you?

Originally posted by Seitse
Southern U.S. and Northen Mexico form a region which is quite distinct from the rest of their respective countries: Culturally, socially, and most of all, economically.

The reasons behind the pverty of the rest of the country are the same as anywhere else: corruption, which is intertwined with undereducation and the doom of its own natural wealth (like the ...[text shortened]... ealthy parts of the third world). Wealthy regions must be kept subjugated by the exploiters.

Or would you say there's something 'wrong' (like a crime gene) with the Mexicans? C'mon, say it, you're dying to play the ethnic coin, don't you?

Not at all. I'm emphasizing that proximity to the US brings wealth to northern Mexico. We're not exploiters, we're partners in business. Your passionate insistence that you have the answer to violence and poverty is silly considering you did not fix the violence and poverty in your home region but instead emigrated.

You may think our little region is fairly isolated economically, but in Los Angeles we understand we're connected to the rest of the planet. For example, China's a huge boost to our local economy. We sell movies all over the planet. We ship food to Cuba. Our connection with the rest of the world provides work for Mexicans. It's not just Mexicans who made Alta California rich.

In fact, it's just as true the other way. California brings money to Mexicans. If that weren't true they wouldn't keep coming here.

Originally posted by Seitse
Education, honesty & opportunities are [b]NOT the answer?!?!?!

Dude, you have no hope. Go buy a gun and be a thug yourself.[/b]

Perhaps they're less an answer than what the answer might bring into existence. The answer itself would be a proven method for how to bring these nice sounding things into reality.