Originally posted by AThousandYoungWhere have education, honesty and investment failed so far?
Perhaps they're less an answer than what the answer might bring into existence. The answer itself would be a proven method for how to bring these nice sounding things into reality.
I'd say they have worked each and everytime they were really implemented.
Originally posted by SeitseI'm educated, pretty honest, and invested $25 through Kiva into the Dominican Republic. Is violence gone now?
Where have education, honesty and investment failed so far?
I'd say they have worked each and everytime they were really implemented.
Maybe you're oversimplifying the issue.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungSo you are L.A. uh. Gee, man, feeling like Louis XIV? 🙂
I'm educated, pretty honest, and invested $25 through Kiva into the Dominican Republic. Is violence gone now?
Maybe you're oversimplifying the issue.
It is you who is oversimplifying the issue, because you are not L.A. and it makes no difference that you are honest and educated.
But now picture an L.A. where 99% of the people were like you, law abiding, honest, and educated.
Pretty different picture, isn't it? I think it would be.
If everybody would be brought up in an environment of clean air, good public services, healthcare, education, and opportunities, where the honest, hardworking and educated are praised and the thugs villified (instead of praised or rewarded), it would be a very different place.
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonYet gun crime is on the rise in the UK according to the OP.
To the best of my judgement, virtually outlawing guns (by putting heavy restrictions on ownership of guns) has already ‘worked’ in the UK.
To the best of my judgement, in the UK, the vast majority of us do not have guns -certainly a lower proportion of us own a gun than in the US (which is where I once lived for a few months) and gun-related crim ...[text shortened]... my judgement).
So I see no reason why virtually outlawing guns wouldn't 'work' in the US.
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Originally posted by SeitseSo it's not just "honesty" and "education" but FREE education, public services, healthcare, jobs that don't require merit to work at and TOTAL honesty for 100% (oh, sorry, you don't mind if 1% don't get these things) of the populace.
So you are L.A. uh. Gee, man, feeling like Louis XIV? 🙂
It is you who is oversimplifying the issue, because you are not L.A. and it makes no difference that you are honest and educated.
But now picture an L.A. where 99% of the people were like you, law abiding, honest, and educated.
Pretty different picture, isn't it? I think it would be.
If eve ...[text shortened]... d and the thugs villified (instead of praised or rewarded), it would be a very different place.
Good luck with that! Amazing how your "answer" poses a question which requires an answer - how do we implement this utopia? Despite having the answer you never managed to make it reality for some reason.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungHow come? There are countries and regions with low crime, so the formula has worked.
So it's not just "honesty" and "education" but FREE education, public services, healthcare, jobs that don't require merit to work at and TOTAL honesty for 100% (oh, sorry, you don't mind if 1% don't get these things) of the populace.
Good luck with that! Amazing how your "answer" poses a question which requires an answer - how do we implement this ...[text shortened]... opia? Despite having the answer you never managed to make it reality for some reason.
At least those places do not have a high level of corruption, super expensive public services, nor lack opportunities for education. Mmmmhh, I wonder why is that!
And no, don't be a clown, dude, there's no such thing as 100% honesty, but check the transparency international ranking and you'll see that even though there's corruption in ALL the world, there are countries where people feel safe and businesspersons trust the government.
Finland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, etc.
They have something in common, and even though they have problems, of course, thugs are not going wild in the streets like in your city.
Let's get back on track and finish this, agreed?
To the question: Is vigilantism the only answer?
The answer is: No, that's the solution of the thugs, the barbarians, and the people without brain. The best alternative is education, honesty in the private and public sectors, and investing in the people
Originally posted by SeitseMaybe I should move to Finland? 😕
The answer to crime is: Education, honesty & jobs.
A country that investes heavily in education, that assures its public service is honest & efficient, and that promotes economic growth, has less problems of crime.
Investing in people pays well. It works in Finland! 🙂
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Originally posted by SeitseLow population countries and regions, sure. I doubt we have many thugs running rampant in Death Valley.
How come? There are countries and regions with low crime, so the formula has worked.
At least those places do not have a high level of corruption, super expensive public services, nor lack opportunities for education. Mmmmhh, I wonder why is that!
And no, don't be a clown, dude, there's no such thing as 100% honesty, but check the transparency internati gh they have problems, of course, thugs are not going wild in the streets like in your city.
Finland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Iceland
Cool, let's add in Antarctica. That would fit the frozen landscape with very few people theme. Oh wait the seals like to eat the penguins. Oops, there are thugs there too!
Originally posted by AThousandYoungYeah, dude, try to joke. You know it is of brainless people to be babbling about vigilantism as the only answer, when a better and far more civilized and intelligent option is investing in people within a framework of public and private honesty.
Low population countries and regions, sure. I doubt we have many thugs running rampant in Death Valley.
Finland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Iceland
Cool, let's add in Antarctica. That would fit the frozen landscape with very few people theme. Oh wait the seals like to eat the penguins. Oops, there are thugs there too!
At least I provided an option besides becoming Serpico, lol
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Originally posted by SeitseVigilantism is not an answer to thuggishness either. However weapon ownership can help provide protection against thugs and limit their opportunities.
Let's get back on track and finish this, agreed?
To the question: Is vigilantism the only answer?
The answer is: No, that's the solution of the thugs, the barbarians, and the people without brain. The best alternative is education, honesty in the private and public sectors, and investing in the people
Originally posted by AThousandYoungA true educated and honest person speaking (as you called yourself): Weapons over education, honesty and jobs.
Vigilantism is not an answer to thuggishness either. However weapon ownership can help provide protection against thugs and limit their opportunities.
Wow, dude, where did you go to school? The U.S.?