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Is vigilantism the only answer?

Is vigilantism the only answer?

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
I'm glad you have the answer, Seitse. Now, when are you going to implement the answer in Mexico?
Right after you implement it in the U.S.

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Some humans are violent. Period. It's an unsolvable problem.
Yes. Some humans are violent.
You could, however, ask the question: "Why are they violent"? and see if you can remove the causes.
Also, say there is more violence now than 15 years ago, that means something must have changed to make it so. Surely a bit of research into that can't be wrong?

An unsolvable problem isn't a problem, it's a fact.

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Originally posted by StarValleyWy
Why don't you just outlaw guns? That should work.
*guffaws*

Seriously, the problem with crime in the UK is that the state holds a monopoly on the use of force and too many people have been infantilized by the government.

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Originally posted by shavixmir
Well, capital punishment doesn't reduce crime. That's a proven statistic.
Jailing people for not paying their poll tax isn't exactly a creative solution to anything either.

I think various trends add to violence:
- poverty
- bad role-models within a family (including a lack of a role-model)
- destroying creativity (including stifling it or not pr ...[text shortened]... asking questions:
- Why do you use violence?
- What do you need to stop doing it?
- etc.
Hate to disagree with you shavixmir, but I'm going to disagree with you on your statement: ...capital punishment doesn't reduce crime. That's a proven statistic."

According to Roy D. Adler and Micheal Summers, research shows that each execution carried out is correlated with about 74 fewer murders the following year:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119397079767680173.html

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Originally posted by Seitse
Right after you implement it in the U.S.

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Gosh Sietse, you are so...manly. Have you been eating your carrots and working out?

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Originally posted by Seitse
Right after you implement it in the U.S.

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I don't have the answer. You do.

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Originally posted by shavixmir
Yes. Some humans are violent.
You could, however, ask the question: "Why are they violent"? and see if you can remove the causes.
Also, say there is more violence now than 15 years ago, that means something must have changed to make it so. Surely a bit of research into that can't be wrong?

An unsolvable problem isn't a problem, it's a fact.
You could, however, ask the question: "Why are they violent"?

Genetics.

and see if you can remove the causes.

Do you recommend eugenics?

Also, say there is more violence now than 15 years ago, that means something must have changed to make it so. Surely a bit of research into that can't be wrong?

Well, there are more people now than 15 years ago. But yes, levels of violence do vary based on environmental factors.

An unsolvable problem isn't a problem, it's a fact

Cool. Then there's no violence problem.

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Originally posted by slimjim
It's the Americans fault.
For as long as there has been man, there has been hatred in his heart. All America did was make hate a human right.

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Originally posted by surtism
[b]This is a serious question, what is happening in the streets of the UK? The youth are running riot, knife and gun crime is on the increase, rape and sexual assaults abound and the hands of the police are tied, if they try to crack down on crime then they get attacked by gangs as in Manchester last week.
Funny you should mention Manchester. When I was there last my friends car got broken into and we lost some of our belongings.

Anyhew, here in the States we don't get crime reports from the UK. Is it really getting that bad?

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
The crime in Los Angeles drives me nuts. I don't think there is an answer.
And what are the majority of crimes in LA related to? Are they not related to gangs? I think organized crime on average tends to be much more violent in nature than people going it alone, but I may be wrong about that. It's just a guess.

I heard that the worst gangs and most violent gangs are coming from Mexico and into the states. From what I hear they bring a whole new definition to the term violent. Therefore, I would have to conclude that much of this violence is simply fostered by various groups and passed down to various people. It would then stand to reason that these groups must be targeted in some way or another.

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
I don't have the answer. You do.
Do you disagree with my answer?

So education, honest government, and economic growth are not the solutions for crime?

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excellant points..and can i add further that the youth gang crime in the inner cities has got out of control.

How may youth murders have we had in London alone in the last 12 months?

All schools are now full of gangs and wannabe gangstars....

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Originally posted by zakkwylder
For as long as there has been man, there has been hatred in his heart. All America did was make hate a human right.
Oh please. Care to explain?

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