Originally posted by no1marauderIts not far from my stance. What you call "Natural Law" I would call innate law or a God given conscience. In addition, what you call cultural norms are those morals that we pick up from people we respect and submit to such as parents, schools, work, peers, church, government etc.
From the precepts of the Natural Law somewhat influenced by cultural norms, of course.
Originally posted by whodeyFair enough.
Its not far from my stance. What you call "Natural Law" I would call innate law or a God given conscience. In addition, what you call cultural norms are those morals that we pick up from people we respect and submit to such as parents, schools, work, peers, church, government etc.
Originally posted by whodeyYou are using the Soviet Union as a model for what you want the USA to be like?!
Well the President can say that he will use little green men from Mars to control immigration for all I care. The simple fact of the matter is that, on the one hand, he says that there are too many illegals in this country to send them back. On the other hand, he says that he will send more people to "secure" the border. So is the answer yes or no Mr. Pres ...[text shortened]... e President sends enough troops to stop them from coming across the border indefinately. LOL.
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungNo, I am using them as as model to prove that a wall can be erected on the scale necessary to do the job. It CAN be done, and don't give me some song and dance about the cost with the way this administration throws around trillions of dollars at the drop of a hat.
You are using the Soviet Union as a model for what you want the USA to be like?!
Originally posted by whodeyIt's not about the cost. It's about how repulsive you are making the idea of a wall sound. I HOPE our wall would be somewhat different than the Soviet wall.
No, I am using them as as model to prove that a wall can be erected on the scale necessary to do the job. It CAN be done, and don't give me some song and dance about the cost with the way this administration throws around trillions of dollars at the drop of a hat.
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Originally posted by no1marauderYou said that cultural norms influence morality. In addition, you seemd to conceed that you cannot seperate the laws of the state and cultural norms because they are not mutually exclusive. They are intermingled. The cultural norms may effect laws and the laws may effect cultural norms. Therefore, you cannot make the claim that laws do not effect the morality of any given society. Clearly they do.
There's too many negatives there; it's unclear what you are saying.
Originally posted by whodeyI would say that the effect of law on morality is very small though not zero.
You said that cultural norms influence morality. In addition, you seemd to conceed that you cannot seperate the laws of the state and cultural norms because they are not mutually exclusive. They are intermingled. The cultural norms may effect laws and the laws may effect cultural norms. Therefore, you cannot make the claim that laws do not effect the morality of any given society. Clearly they do.
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Originally posted by whodeyhardly. morality is often deep-rooted in long-established social norms, it wouldn't change overnight in the event of an election or anything that would bring about new authority figures.
I think it fair to say that the populace derives its morality from authority figures.
edit- even then, it doesn't automatically mean it isn't misguided solely because of its source.