@sh76 saidIt matters to the philosophical point you seemed to be raising i.e. that personal health decisions should be free from government interference. That point does not apply to diseases that your personal preferences can spread to others.
If the point is that over-all numbers of deaths is the overriding consideration, that is irrelevant.
If the point is not to fill hospital beds to take them away from other emergencies, that is still irrelevant.
If the point is to protect others, everyone has the ability to protect themselves by getting vaxxed and boosted. All indications are that boosted people are at extremely low risk from Delta, and especially from Omicron.
That you consider the risks of that contagious disease "low" (whatever that means - people can still die from it and/or have short and long term health problems because of it even if vaxxed) is besides the point - you have no "right" to spread diseases to others.
@no1marauder saidYou have a right to live your life as normal in the public sphere. That you might incidentally pass a cold or flu to others has never justified locking people down.
It matters to the philosophical point you seemed to be raising i.e. that personal health decisions should be free from government interference. That point does not apply to diseases that your personal preferences can spread to others.
That you consider the risks of that contagious disease "low" (whatever that means - people can still die from it and/or have short and l ...[text shortened]... cause of it even if vaxxed) is besides the point - you have no "right" to spread diseases to others.
To vaccinated (and especially boosted) people, Omicron certainly seems no worse than the flu (from which you can also die or get complications, incidentally).
@no1marauder saidare you advocating for the hanging of fauci?
It matters to the philosophical point you seemed to be raising i.e. that personal health decisions should be free from government interference. That point does not apply to diseases that your personal preferences can spread to others.
That you consider the risks of that contagious disease "low" (whatever that means - people can still die from it and/or have short and l ...[text shortened]... cause of it even if vaxxed) is besides the point - you have no "right" to spread diseases to others.
@sh76 saidI'll ask again: when was the last week in the US when 10,000 people died of the flu?
You have a right to live your life as normal in the public sphere. That you might incidentally pass a cold or flu to others has never justified locking people down.
To vaccinated (and especially boosted) people, Omicron certainly seems no worse than the flu (from which you can also die or get complications, incidentally).
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Omicron or some other variant will rear its ugly head between now and the 2022 mid-terms, insuring millions more "mail in" votes.
What's this got to do with things? Those in power will do anything to stay in power. Dems swear that Trump took desperate measures and tried insurrection. 'Pubs swear that the Biden administration will use "the plague" to their advantage.
I am in complete distrust of either. We don't have news in this country. We have politically driven narratives.
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@no1marauder saidWhen was the last time Omicron killed 10 fully vaccinated people?
I'll ask again: when was the last week in the US when 10,000 people died of the flu?
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@sh76 saidAre you claiming this variant won't kill vaccinated people? Unlike every other COVID variant?
When was the last time Omicron killed 10 fully vaccinated people?
It won't send vaccinated people to the hospital?
You've been a COVID minimizer for a year and a half with a terrible predictive record; I see no reason why I or government officials should take such minimization seriously.
@no1marauder said"It won't send vaccinated people to the hospital? "
Are you claiming this variant won't kill vaccinated people? Unlike every other COVID variant?
It won't send vaccinated people to the hospital?
You've been a COVID minimizer for a year and a half with a terrible predictive record; I see no reason why I or government officials should take such minimization seriously.
You might want to start by proving that variant hospitalized many people. If not, do you have a point at all?
@no1marauder saidI see no evidence Omicron is likely to be more dangerous to the fully vaccinated than the flu.
Are you claiming this variant won't kill vaccinated people? Unlike every other COVID variant?
It won't send vaccinated people to the hospital?
You've been a COVID minimizer for a year and a half with a terrible predictive record; I see no reason why I or government officials should take such minimization seriously.
I don't give a damn what you think should be taken seriously, but the onus is on the government to prove justification before imposing costly restrictions on freedom.
As for my predictive record, it's been pretty damn good lately.
I predicted COVID would start waning in Florida in September. You predicted school opening in Florida would cause another spike. You were wrong.
I predicted COVID would spike in the north central in November and in the northeast in December.
Of course, all I needed for those predictions was a calendar and the 2020 records.
@shavixmir saidExactly.
The vaccinated aren’t really the problem…
The unvaccinated choosing to accept their own risks is no justification for imposing restrictions on everyone else.
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@sh76 saidThat's the second time you lied and claimed I said school openings in Florida would "cause a spike". We both know I said no such thing.
I see no evidence Omicron is likely to be more dangerous to the fully vaccinated than the flu.
I don't give a damn what you think should be taken seriously, but the onus is on the government to prove justification before imposing costly restrictions on freedom.
As for my predictive record, it's been pretty damn good lately.
I predicted COVID would start waning in Florid ...[text shortened]... t in December.
Of course, all I needed for those predictions was a calendar and the 2020 records.
DeSantis managed to enable a bloodbath for three months and you think you deserve some credit for seeing that it couldn't possibly continue at such rates for much longer. That's almost pathetic.
There's at least 800,000 dead in the US and 6 million worldwide from this disease. It is long since the point where conditions have justified restrictions on the non-existent "right" to continue spreading it.
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@no1marauder saidEven our mainstream media has, in the main, stopped lying about dying "from" this disease to saying died "with". Why is it so hard to use the correct terminology .
That's the second time you lied and claimed I said school openings in Florida would "cause a spike". We both know I said no such thing.
There's at least 800,000 dead in the US and 6 million worldwide from this disease. It is long since the point where conditions have justified restrictions on the non-existent "right" to continue spreading it.
And I hardly think 2.5/1000 dying "with" this disease, over two years, a "big" number, esp now over two damn years, for goodness sake.
In 2020 8.8/1000 died from all causes That is in one single year.
I cannot understand why the covid numbers are so low dying "with" covid.
@metal-brain saidCould you tell that to the 1632 reported dead from COVID today in the US? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us
https://rumble.com/vr64lg-omicron-symptoms-appear-shockingly-mild.html