@mott-the-hoople saidRead the rest of the article.
as usual the lib scum attacks the messenger...Im going to report you to the newly created minister of truth!
@averagejoe1 said"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Ahhh, but for everyone 'to be in the same place' at the end, (Kamala Harris), Suzy and everyone think that the govt needs to make them all equal at the beginning. I wish you libs would let that sink into your little heads. It will always be unequal. I make donuts, you sell diamonds in a diamond shop. Why Suzy, that just ain't right.
Some People Work Harder Than Others. Av Joe
"Among these" suggests there are more unalienable rights than these three. I would include the unalienable right to control one's own body.
And "all men are created equal". What about this don't you get? It doesn't say that white people are "more equal", does it?
Despite what you just said, we all start out equal. It is not the role of government to make some of us "less equal".
"Some people work harder than others." So why are the ones who arguably do the least work (old, rich, white men in Congress) always looking to tell those who work harder what to do?
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@suzianne said
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
"Among these" suggests there are more unalienable rights than these three. I would include the unalienable right to control one's own body.
And "all men are c ...[text shortened]... ast work (old, rich, white men in Congress) always looking to tell those who work harder what to do?
It is not the role of government to make some of us "less equal".
Indeed, this is why I've strayed from conservative circles lately. Activism is front and center in the Republican party.. Accelerating politicization of judicial branch. We've discussed many such SCOTUS decisions in this forum recently that have no factual findings or logical rationale for decision making (vaccine mandates, district gerrymandering etc). This seems like it will be one of them. If the main logic for prohibiting abortion is "well, the constitution doesn't explicitly use that word" then we're in big trouble. The issue was always about privacy and freedom to make one's own decisions, not the specific medical care being provided. The slippery slope argument typically is fraught with peril but I do think this opens up a can of worms that will increase government intervention in our lives. As an example., The 2nd amendment references "arms" not "guns" so... let's keep the arms and outlaw the guns.
@wildgrass saidWell-said. A measured response. How refreshing.It is not the role of government to make some of us "less equal".
Indeed, this is why I've strayed from conservative circles lately. Activism is front and center in the Republican party.. Accelerating politicization of judicial branch. We've discussed many such SCOTUS decisions in this forum recently that have no factual findings or logical rationale for de ...[text shortened]... ple., The 2nd amendment references "arms" not "guns" so... let's keep the arms and outlaw the guns.
@earl-of-trumps said(Shrug) You and the other right wingers are.
@no1marauder
Good luck placing your faith in polls.
Here's the type of bills we can expect in the near future: https://legiscan.com/LA/text/HB813/id/2549012
It declares that since "unborn human life" was "created in the image of God" that all criminal laws should apply to it. That would make a woman who got an abortion an accessory to murder. It also declares that the State of Louisiana can ignore any SCOTUS decisions or Federal laws to the contrary.
It was voted out of Committee by a 7-2 vote and awaits action in the far right Louisiana legislature.
Most Americans believe abortion should be either “mostly” or “always” illegal, and support banning abortion after 15 weeks, a Fox News poll released this week found.
The national poll, conducted prior to the leak of a draft Supreme Court opinion overruling Roe v. Wade, found that 54 percent favor banning abortion in their respective state after 15 weeks of pregnancy, compared to 41 percent who oppose. Additionally, more favor banning abortion in their state after just six weeks than oppose — 50 percent to 46 percent.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/04/poll-majority-abortion-should-be-mostly-always-illegal/
What this shows us is that the media has made it look all one sided, meaning the majority is against the ruling. But reality is, the media is predominantly left handed, that's all.
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@earl-of-trumps saidIt seems clear the poll must have asked its questions in a confusing way: by a 63% to 27% margin those questioned said Roe should stand, which is inconsistent with the results from the other questions.
[b]Most Americans believe abortion should be either “mostly” or “always” illegal, and support banning abortion after 15 weeks, a Fox News poll released this week found.
The national poll, conducted prior to the leak of a draft Supreme Court opinion overruling Roe v. Wade, found that 54 percent favor banning abortion in their respective state after 15 weeks of pregna ...[text shortened]... majority is against the ruling. But reality is, the media is predominantly left handed, that's all.
And, of course, while the Founders and Framers believed that our Natural Rights were not at the mercy of popular support, 69% said they are "very concerned" about abortion policy and "Voters who are extremely concerned about abortion policy want Roe to stand by a 60-33% margin, yet they split in their congressional vote preference (45% for the Democrat, 43% for the Republican). "
https://www.foxnews.com/official-polls/fox-news-poll-just-over-half-favor-banning-abortions-after-15-weeks
A full throated overruling of Roe is very likely to move those numbers.
Earl: What this shows us is that the media has made it look all one sided, meaning the majority is against the ruling.
No, what it shows us is that you are willing to omit the poll results you don't like. Your own cited poll shows that a majority of better than 2:1 are against the ruling, something you left out of your post.
BTW, I note that on this page you ridiculed the use of poll numbers and then immediately cited a poll! Blatant hypocrisy much?
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@AverageJoe1
The sad fact is SCOTUS is not impartial anymore, they are overtly political, the three assswipes Trump appointed and the fact Moscow Mitch denied Obama from getting a nominee in proves conclusively SCOTUS is now leaning WAY to the right which is NOT what they are supposed to be doing and they frigging LIED during their senate hearings about abortion issues. But OF COURSE you LOVE they are right wingers.
The fact 70% of Americans want women to control their own bodies with regards to reproduction and such does not matter to SCOTUS OR SENATE, the minority is in fact ruling. That makes democracy in the US a joke because of the electoral college, a holdback from 200 years ago and should be abolished.
@suzianne saidWhere do I begin? You are as off-the-wall as Marauder, whose arguments are failing these days. He actually gave a really bad illogical answer when saying Biden was ' speaking personal opposition, which is not the same as his presidential position"" about being anti-abortion. YET he would NEVER apply that logic to Trump having said something of the same order. Jesus.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
"Among these" suggests there are more unalienable rights than these three. I would include the unalienable right to control one's own body.
And "all men are c ...[text shortened]... ast work (old, rich, white men in Congress) always looking to tell those who work harder what to do?
So here you are. You are correct, the Constitution does not say 'all white men are created equal',...whatever you mean. And, Also correct, that we all start off equal.
And, that it is not the role of government to make some of us less equal, or more equal;. Whatyoutalkin'bout, Suzianne. We all know that.
But here is where you are off, much like Marauder has become. The Reason OLD Rich White Men (there are many rich black men and women) is because when they were YOUNG, they worked harder than other people!!!!!! Jesus.
You need to get back to work, and Marauder needs to get his paralegals to dig deeper.
Some People WORK HARDER THAN OTHERS. AvJoe
@averagejoe1 saidHard work is not the only predictor of financial success in life.
Where do I begin? You are as off-the-wall as Marauder, whose arguments are failing these days. He actually gave a really bad illogical answer when saying Biden was ' speaking personal opposition, which is not the same as his presidential position"" about being anti-abortion. YET he would NEVER apply that logic to Trump having said something of the same order. Jesus.
...[text shortened]... Marauder needs to get his paralegals to dig deeper.
Some People WORK HARDER THAN OTHERS. AvJoe
Having a head start of an intact nuclear family and good parents who had the resources and the wherewithal to do a good job in giving their children all possible advantages also helps.
There's also luck and social connections.
Of course, I agree wholeheartedly it's not the government's job to "fix" inequality of outcomes. Believing that it is leaves no logical endpoint short of full-on Harrison Bergeron.
@sh76 saidSo, in this light, what 'could have been done' when the disadvantaged was born? So that they come out the same way as their contemporaries, esp the rich ones? What?
Hard work is not the only predictor of financial success in life.
Having a head start of an intact nuclear family and good parents who had the resources and the wherewithal to do a good job in giving their children all possible advantages also helps.
There's also luck and social connections.
Of course, I agree wholeheartedly it's not the government's job to "fix" inequa ...[text shortened]... ity of outcomes. Believing that it is leaves no logical endpoint short of full-on Harrison Bergeron.
What are you libs getting at when you say stuff like this, with our hanging on your every word, waiting for 'the answer', the surprise ending?
Why does Biden not clarify what we are all thinking,,,,,,,that, he is a good Catholic and does not believe in abortion, but he says something else due to the fact that that is the public will....abortions. All well and good, according to Marauder, but why does he not tell us his full thoughts, like Marauder endeavored to do, rather than our having to tolerate his conflicting statements all day.
@sh76 saidInteresting take. So if you and I are brothers, and I work hard at moving ahead in life, from one position to another, and then one investment after another, I am going to generally be successful.
Hard work is not the only predictor of financial success in life.
If you, on the other hand, worked day in and day out on an Amazon line, or at the My Pillow Factory, for standard wages, you will be less than successful.
So this all boils down to me working harder than you. You could argue that hauling Amazon boxes day in and day out is harder work than I was doing. You would be right, right on. But there are different concepts here, pick one.
