@zahlanzi saidThe purpose of a debate forum is to debate, present your case, I present mine etc etc. The purpose is not to change me or anyone for that matter. So far you have told me nothing except about public opinion, and what th emajority believes. Well your public opinion is a failure, clearly. It is a nonsense opinion based on emotional reactions rather than on facts.
"Apart from calling me names, what of substance do you have that I can understand."
Nothing. No racist/bigot/sexist/anti-semite/whatever ashole has ever changed his views over the internet. I can only show you facts but if you lack the basic human decency and empathy to put those into context you won't ever change.
@rajk999 saidThere is no debating hateful bigots. No amount of facts will convince you if you consider the palestinians simply less than. No amount of appealing to empathy towards a victimised people if you simply lack any empathy.
The purpose of a debate forum is to debate, present your case, I present mine etc etc. The purpose is not to change me or anyone for that matter. So far you have told me nothing except about public opinion, and what th emajority believes. Well your public opinion is a failure, clearly. It is a nonsense opinion based on emotional reactions rather than on facts.
@rajk999 saidPopular world opinion in WWII was anti-Nazi, overwhelmingly.
The purpose of a debate forum is to debate, present your case, I present mine etc etc. The purpose is not to change me or anyone for that matter. So far you have told me nothing except about public opinion, and what th emajority believes. Well your public opinion is a failure, clearly. It is a nonsense opinion based on emotional reactions rather than on facts.
That did nothing to end the roll of Panzers gobbling up the European countryside.
@kingdavid403 saidOk, now I am convinced. You're an idjut, on multiple levels.
I don't have a version. I said the Arab news and Israel news cannot be trusted. They are both at war with each other and they both lie about each other. That's my version and I'm sticking to it. Your pals have no academia. Hence the Chinee people thread. Which has nothing to do with the chinee people' whom ever they are suppose to be.
@earl-of-trumps saidPopular opinion and emotion is the enemy of facts and rational thinking.
Popular world opinion in WWII was anti-Nazi, overwhelmingly.
That did nothing to end the roll of Panzers gobbling up the European countryside.
Popular opinion is right sometimes and wrong sometimes
Emotion is justified sometimes and unjustified sometimes
Facts are always correct. Rational thinking is key to correct conclusions
This :
The majority of the world
- agrees Israel is an apartheid state.
- condemn crimes done by Israel against Palestinians.
- agree the palestinians have just as much right to exist as do israelis.
- Israel keeps violating agreements and engages in ethnic cleansing to make it impossible for Palestinians to have any kind of future.
These emotional statements are based on public opinion and in the mind of a rational person its foundation must be factual. So far these public opinions are not justified.
@earl-of-trumps saidTried to warn everybody. Get your bibles out, Ephisians prob up next. I think he did fit the battle of Jericho about a year ago
Ok, now I am convinced. You're an idjut, on multiple levels.
@earl-of-trumps saidActually… not very many panzers… lots of horse-drawn guns and men on meth…
Popular world opinion in WWII was anti-Nazi, overwhelmingly.
That did nothing to end the roll of Panzers gobbling up the European countryside.
But I digress…
@rajk999 saidAll four points are well documented and proven.
Popular opinion and emotion is the enemy of facts and rational thinking.
Popular opinion is right sometimes and wrong sometimes
Emotion is justified sometimes and unjustified sometimes
Facts are always correct. Rational thinking is key to correct conclusions
This :
[i]The majority of the world
- agrees Israel is an apartheid state.
- condemn crimes done by Israel a ...[text shortened]... of a rational person its foundation must be factual. So far these public opinions are not justified.
@shavixmir saidThe only point that can hold water is the practicing of apartheid, and there are some pretty sound reasons for this. A nation has vowed to kill you, and they have been practicing it for the last 70 years - suicide bombers, attacks on civilians etc. Any govt that does not keep them apart is damn stupid.
All four points are well documented and proven.
And now they’re resorting to Northern Ireland style Orange marches:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-57402137
Yeah… those never escalate…
From the Beeb:
The outgoing Israeli government has given the go-ahead for a march by religious nationalists which was cancelled by organisers over fears it could trigger a new round of conflict.
@rajk999 saidThis is ridiculous.
This is the reason why many knowledgeable Muslims, Imams, clerics and others who understand Judaism are careful about interfering with Israel. It is the reason why Palestinians are not happy with the level of support from some of their Arab neighbours. Here it is, just one of many in the bible:
[i]I am going to gather the people from all the countries where I have scatter ...[text shortened]... ar of these people, because as far as they are concerned if you fight the Jews you are fighting God.
Muslims do not accept some passage in Jeremiah as a prediction that the Jews will inherit this land.
Smart Christians also do not accept this:
By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
Hebrews 8:13
The Jews are not fulfilling something special by colonizing Palestine & illegally seizing their land through fraud and bizarre declarations.
@philokalia saidI have quoted from WIKI, passages which show several high ranking Muslims agreeing with what the bible says.
This is ridiculous.
Muslims do not accept some passage in Jeremiah as a prediction that the Jews will inherit this land.
Smart Christians also do not accept this:By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
Hebrews 8:13
The Jews are not fulfilling something spe ...[text shortened]... l by colonizing Palestine & illegally seizing their land through fraud and bizarre declarations.
Your points are not clear. Please write clearly if you want a response.
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@rajk999 saidDid the Bible give a date as to when the transfer of ownership was to take place and on God's command?
I have quoted from WIKI, passages which show several high ranking Muslims agreeing with what the bible says.
Your points are not clear. Please write clearly if you want a response.
Does the Bible passage say that people who want self-fulfilling prophecy get an exemption from the
two commandments - Thou shalt not kill; Thou shalt not steal?
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@earl-of-trumps saidThe bible does not give dates, and your ignorance about the commandments is noted. There is a time to kill and a time of war. When evil people are coming to kill you, then it is a time to kill and a time of war. If you want [like many stupid Palestinians] to see the Jews lay down and surrender then you will be disappointed. The Jews purchased land. The Palesitnians squatted on land belonging to the Jews in some cases. SO clearly there must be conflict which the law will resolve.
Did the Bible give a date as to when the transfer of ownership was to take place and on God's command?
Does the Bible passage say that people who want self-fulfilling prophecy get an exemption from the
two commandments - Thou shalt not kill; Thou shalt not steal?
@Rajk999 - said
There is a time to kill and a time of war.
Exactly!! and it is time for the Palestinians and supporters to kill and war.