04 Jan 21
@metal-brain saidThere have been allegations for many years that this election was going to be rigged and/or stolen and/or fraudulent. At that time, lots of folks believed the repetitive narrative without any evidence whatsoever (the election hadn't even happened). So I don't know that evidence is even necessary here.
Frustrated that the courts will not hear the evidence Trump wants to present it on Jan. 6th.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-team-wants-to-present-specific-evidence-on-jan-6-campaign-adviser-jason-miller_3637744.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-12-30-3
Why didn't anyone do anything about it at a point in time before the election when they might have an effect? If election law in these states were unconstitutional, clearly a judge could have ruled on that.
04 Jan 21
@wildgrass saidTrump said early on that mail in voting was prone to election fraud. The news media called that claim unfounded. Trump was right and the news media lied to us.
There have been allegations for many years that this election was going to be rigged and/or stolen and/or fraudulent. At that time, lots of folks believed the repetitive narrative without any evidence whatsoever (the election hadn't even happened). So I don't know that evidence is even necessary here.
Why didn't anyone do anything about it at a point in time before the e ...[text shortened]... ct? If election law in these states were unconstitutional, clearly a judge could have ruled on that.
https://www.thenationalsentinel.com/2020/04/18/in-2005-panel-co-chaired-by-jimmy-carter-found-absentee-ballots-remain-the-largest-source-of-potential-voter-fraud/
The state supreme court was not held accountable in Pennsylvania. Apparently they can violate their own state's election laws with impunity. Who is going to rule against the state supreme court? They are the highest court in the state. Only the SCOTUS was capable of doing that and they refused to hear it.
04 Jan 21
@sonhouse said"And BTW, he CAN spend it any way he wants. It is all legal and he can buy another Mara Lago if he wants."
@Metal-Brain
Are you really that naive? Those assswipes are doing this so they can pander to the Trump base when he is gone so they will have Trump crowd street creds.
There is ZERO in there to see. The whole point of the 60 odd court cases was to generate interest in the Trump base so he could collect those hundreds of millions of dollars.
And BTW, he CAN spend it a ...[text shortened]... do: Draw down his 400 million debt, his response to debt collectors: SCREW YOU, so SUE me assshole.
What is your source of information?
04 Jan 21
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@metal-brain saidWhy would he say it years ago but refuse to do anything substantive to fix it? Maybe because the purpose of the statements was merely manipulative.
Trump said early on that mail in voting was prone to election fraud. The news media called that claim unfounded. Trump was right and the news media lied to us.
https://www.thenationalsentinel.com/2020/04/18/in-2005-panel-co-chaired-by-jimmy-carter-found-absentee-ballots-remain-the-largest-source-of-potential-voter-fraud/
The state supreme court was not held accounta ...[text shortened]... e highest court in the state. Only the SCOTUS was capable of doing that and they refused to hear it.
The news media does not interpret the constitution. Why didn't they bring the suits years ago?
04 Jan 21
@metal-brain saidHey Metalbrain, your proof of election fraud came 2 days earlier!
Trump said early on that mail in voting was prone to election fraud. The news media called that claim unfounded. Trump was right and the news media lied to us.
https://www.thenationalsentinel.com/2020/04/18/in-2005-panel-co-chaired-by-jimmy-carter-found-absentee-ballots-remain-the-largest-source-of-potential-voter-fraud/
The state supreme court was not held accounta ...[text shortened]... e highest court in the state. Only the SCOTUS was capable of doing that and they refused to hear it.
The telephone conversation of trump attempting to commit election fraud has been released by the Washington Post.
How do you feel about it?
Did it go the way you thought it would?
04 Jan 21
@shavixmir saidHe didn't break any laws. Lay off the gossip.
Hey Metalbrain, your proof of election fraud came 2 days earlier!
The telephone conversation of trump attempting to commit election fraud has been released by the Washington Post.
How do you feel about it?
Did it go the way you thought it would?
You didn't even hear the whole conversation. You heard parts that were selected to be out of context to mislead.
04 Jan 21
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@wildgrass saidHe did not say it years ago. Does the president have any say so in how individual states construct their elections? The Supreme court of Pennsylvania violated their own election laws and the Trump team could not get the SCOTUS to hear the case.
Why would he say it years ago but refuse to do anything substantive to fix it? Maybe because the purpose of the statements was merely manipulative.
The news media does not interpret the constitution. Why didn't they bring the suits years ago?
If there was another way for the Trump team to challenge the expansion of mail in voting by the states I would love to have it proven. That would change my whole view on this and I would accept it is a Trump scam.
Can you do that?
@metal-brain saidHe absolutely did say it years ago. Repeatedly. Rigged. Fraudulent. Dishonest. I won by a lot. The media is somehow always the culprit, as if they're the one's running elections.
He did not say it years ago. Does the president have any say so in how individual states construct their elections? The Supreme court of Pennsylvania violated their own election laws and the Trump team could not get the SCOTUS to hear the case.
If there was another way for the Trump team to challenge the expansion of mail in voting by the states I would love to have it ...[text shortened]... . That would change my whole view on this and I would accept it is a Trump scam.
Can you do that?
No he doesn't have any say in how individual states construct their elections. The Department of Justice can and should and does intervene if the law is not being followed. This would have been evident months before the election. The Supreme Court is not writing laws or violating laws, they're interpreting the constitution. The Judiciary is tasked with that role, not politicians gunning for a cabinet seat or the biased lamestream media or joe schmo on the internet.
Read the rulings from these judges. "The campaign's claims have no merit." “This Court has allowed plaintiff the chance to make his case and he has lost on the merits”. "Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here” That's not the media, that's straight out of a Trump-nominated judicial ruling. Why would the US Supreme Court take a case that, according to many judicial rulings, lacks merit?
You would love to have it proven that there was another way for the Trump team to challenge the expansion of mail voting? I don't think there is one. Again, the Constitution gives broad leeway to states to run their elections as they see fit. Mail-in voting has been around for decades and generally stands up to rigorous constitutional scrutiny. Are you asking for a new constitution?
04 Jan 21
@metal-brain saidOh man. You are seriously warped.
He didn't break any laws. Lay off the gossip.
You didn't even hear the whole conversation. You heard parts that were selected to be out of context to mislead.
04 Jan 21
@metal-brain saidHahaha again with theepochtimes are you on its editorial board?
This might come down to the integrity of the Data Integrity Group.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/exclusive-over-432000-votes-removed-from-trump-in-pennsylvania-data-scientists-say_3642202.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-04-1
04 Jan 21
@Metal-Brain
Funny thing about that evidence, the judges didn't see any either, because the idiot lawyers didn't PRESENT any and admitted they didn't have evidence, only opinions.
THAT is why they got laughed out of court 59 times.
But of course to you that is just a symbol of how deep the state is that dems control REPUBLICAN picked judges.
Amazing how those democrats can blind all those 59 judges. Maybe they piped in high power microwave beams like in Cuba.
04 Jan 21
@Metal-Brain
The whole conversation has been released, over an hour in that "Perfect'' phone call.
VERY clear clean audio BTW.
He sounded desperate. And that would be because he IS desperate.
"John Hardy was a desperate little man, carried a pistol every where"
05 Jan 21
@metal-brain saidDid you hear the full 60 minutes?
He didn't break any laws. Lay off the gossip.
You didn't even hear the whole conversation. You heard parts that were selected to be out of context to mislead.
Did you hear trump?
And are you still going to stick with: “He did nothing illegal.” ?
trump is using his political position to influence election results.
Say it out loud. That is what he is doing.
That is corruption. Corruption against the democracy of his own country.
And the republican party (at least parts of it) are sticking by him.
I would drag all their sorry arses to court and prosecute them for treason.
Ban them from ever holding a public function again.
05 Jan 21
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@metal-brain saidExpert legal opinion is that Trump did break laws, both federal and state, by attempting to influence an election: insisting that Raffensperger "find" votes, "recalculate" the result, and by threatening him with legal action if he fails to act on Trump's demand to reverse a result which has already been counted three times and certified by state law.
He didn't break any laws. Lay off the gossip.
You didn't even hear the whole conversation. You heard parts that were selected to be out of context to mislead.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-legal-explainer/explainer-did-trump-break-the-law-by-pressuring-a-georgia-election-official-to-find-votes-idUSKBN2992C9