Two questions

@averagejoe1 said
A primer for Suzianne:
Liberals generally believe in governmental action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all.
That, It is the 'duty of the govt' to reduce community issues, and to guarantee that no one is in need.

Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, LIMITED government, free markets, individual liberty, Traditional American ...[text shortened]... ng to their needs, from each according to their ability". Brrrrrrr. Yet, you think this is cool??

This is ridiculous on the face of it.

You people have been conditioned by right-wing politicians that somehow your liberty and freedom are being taken away, yet Americans have the same liberty and freedoms they've always had. What you DON'T have is freedom to screw people over, to take from the poor to give to the rich. You also don't have freedom to destroy the environment, to pollute our water and air and to disenfranchise people just because they're not like you. And this is why we need government safeguards. Read the Preamble to the Constitution again.

By the way, when you start with a 'given' that is false, everything you say derived from that false 'given' is false. You say, "There can be no liberty when the government is larger." This is patently false.

@eladar said
Any votes not cast at an official voting location where precautions are taken to ensure the vote is fraud or under duress is suspect.

I am not sure why systems so easily used to cast fraudulent votes is acceptable.

You can 'suspect' all you want. What you cannot do is stand in the way of people exercising their Constitutional right to vote easily, safely and legally.

@suzianne said
This is ridiculous on the face of it.

You people have been conditioned by right-wing politicians that somehow your liberty and freedom are being taken away, yet Americans have the same liberty and freedoms they've always had. What you DON'T have is freedom to screw people over, to take from the poor to give to the rich. You also don't have freedom to destroy the environ ...[text shortened]... s false. You say, "There can be no liberty when the government is larger." This is patently false.

What a conundrum is this take on Freedom. As govt has grown, common sense should tell you liberty and freedom has been reduced. Please. Then, you say ' ...(I/we) don't have the freedom to screw people over,. to take from poor, give to rich". Suzianne, your man Biden has been telling us how he can't WAIT to take money (in the form of taxes) from the rich to give to the poor. So which way is it in your thought process? It cannot be both ways, as I see it.

Very conflicting indeed. One of your more cogent posts, I might add. Thanks for that.

@averagejoe1 said
What a conundrum is this take on Freedom. As govt has grown, common sense should tell you liberty and freedom has been reduced. Please. Then, you say ' ...(I/we) don't have the freedom to screw people over,. to take from poor, give to rich". Suzianne, your man Biden has been telling us how he can't WAIT to take money (in the form of taxes) from the rich to give to th ...[text shortened]... I see it.

Very conflicting indeed. One of your more cogent posts, I might add. Thanks for that.

So you see no moral difference between a government taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor and a government taking from the poor and giving it to the rich. That’s interesting.

@kevcvs57 said
So you see no moral difference between a government taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor and a government taking from the poor and giving it to the rich. That’s interesting.

I guess the first 'rule' among the cavemen was to not take something away from someone who owns it, or something like that. I think it qualifies as a moral concern. As a liberal, you naturally bend the 100,000-year old rule to suit.

Then, in doing so, you compare, above, the govt taking money from the rich with the govt taking money from the poor. Kev, that sentence makes no sense, since the govt doesn't 'take money from the poor." Help me Rhonda.

@averagejoe1 said
I guess the first 'rule' among the cavemen was to not take something away from someone who owns it, or something like that. I think it qualifies as a moral concern. As a liberal, you naturally bend the 100,000-year old rule to suit.

Then, in doing so, you compare, above, the govt taking money from the rich with the govt taking money from the poor. Kev, that sentence makes no sense, since the govt doesn't 'take money from the poor." Help me Rhonda.

Yeah we ( us libs ) have evolved away from our cavemen roots and created the modern world. It’s not our fault that some have degenerated back to the cave.
How do you feel about the government taxing you and handing it to the corporations for services and infrastructure when they could set up non profit state owned providers which would pay workers more and cost the tax payers less?
This is where you start to ramble whilst pretending not to be a corporate lackey like all conservatives.

@kevcvs57 said
Yeah we ( us libs ) have evolved away from our cavemen roots and created the modern world. It’s not our fault that some have degenerated back to the cave.
How do you feel about the government taxing you and handing it to the corporations for services and infrastructure when they could set up non profit state owned providers which would pay workers more and cost the tax pay ...[text shortened]... is where you start to ramble whilst pretending not to be a corporate lackey like all conservatives.

You are right, corps should not be bailed out by corporations. You folks hate bankruptcy (Trump's) but yet it is there for a reason. A corp should not get money, they should bankrupt and get bought up by new investors, pretty simple stuff. Maybe GM buys Ford, something like that, What has the government got to do with it? Do they make cars.?

Then you mention state-owned providers. Are you a marxist, Kev. You are going to love Kamala and AOC,...... milquetoast Biden is not who we are worried about. State-owned? So, I go to 'the state' (brrrrr) for my needs? I buy my apple from the apple grower down the street, and my neighbor Steve Jobs is making a computer for me as we speak. Is the govt going to 'provide' to all the pitiful weak non-producers of our society? Are you communist.? Just what are you people? Can you not subsist on your own? This is serious stuff.

@kevcvs57 said
Yeah we ( us libs ) have evolved away from our cavemen roots and created the modern world. It’s not our fault that some have degenerated back to the cave.
This is where you start to ramble whilst pretending not to be a corporate lackey like all conservatives.

OK, you make a point how things have evolved for 100K years. But Kev, if it was wrong to take a rock from a caveman then, why is it OK with you and AOC to take a rock from a citizen today? Can you PLEASE get to the point and explain all these platitudes????

Secondly, you seem to be telling me that I am a corporate lackey, when you say that to me while TYPING ON A COMPUTER MADE BY A CORPORATION. Your computer chair was made by Acme Chair Company, and Corp Uber just delivered a pizza to you made by that rich Papa John guy. You rely on corporations , and hypocritically, knock them. Absolutely ridiculous, and a position which you will ignore here, and will not justify. Can you at least justify the caveman issue? It was wrong then, but it is not now??????????????????????????????????????????

@AverageJoe1

bang on, aj.

these socialists spend more time hating on the cooperates and it is the cooperates
that give us:

1.) JOBS!! hey socialists,, you all got jobs?
2.) source of tax revenue. without it there would be no government,
3.) the Internet service provider, your computer, your auto, the banks that hold your mortgage.

And all they have is hate.

@earl-of-trumps said
@AverageJoe1

bang on, aj.

these socialists spend more time hating on the cooperates and it is the cooperates
that give us:

1.) JOBS!! hey socialists,, you all got jobs?
2.) source of tax revenue. without it there would be no government,
3.) the Internet service provider, your computer, your auto, the banks that hold your mortgage.

And all they have is hate.

We'd have to say jealously, and I dont mean that in a mean-spirited way. That is, they always seem fixated on, number one, what other people earn, how much money they have, and how they can get it.

My caveman analogy applies, a guy sits across the campfire eyeing another guy's food, or his bow and arrow. If the guy hasn't produced same for himself, he goes to the elders and wants one for free, from some source.... Maybe from that guy at the campfire. So, the elders go to the fire and takes (taxes?) half of the stuff of that guy who is minding his own business.

Liberals find it a societal no-no for one to mind his own business.

Thank God that humanity has developed to the point where children happily share their toys at the pre-school.

@kewpie said
Thank God that humanity has developed to the point where children happily share their toys at the pre-school.

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@averagejoe1 said
I guess the first 'rule' among the cavemen was to not take something away from someone who owns it, or something like that. I think it qualifies as a moral concern. As a liberal, you naturally bend the 100,000-year old rule to suit.

Then, in doing so, you compare, above, the govt taking money from the rich with the govt taking money from the poor. Kev, that sentence makes no sense, since the govt doesn't 'take money from the poor." Help me Rhonda.

The question I cant get around is what did the dinosaurs about this ?
After all, they were around for 96,000 of those years !!! 😆😆😆

@mghrn55 said
The question I cant get around is what did the dinosaurs about this ?
After all, they were around for 96,000 of those years !!! 😆😆😆

Well, with animal instincts, they took anything they wanted from any other animal that they wanted to take it from. Why, can you Imagine! a society where some of its inhabitants take anything they want from another person.....like animals do?

@cheesemaster said
He wants to see if dead people voted.
Or out of state people....California... Voted in Nevada.

Etc etc.

Every vote should be checked for legitimacy.
Regardless of the party involved.

Also a LOT of votes for Trump were counted for Biden because of a "computer error".