@sonhouse saidNYC people would be screwed and it would be uninhabitable for a long time, but I don't live in the city. The USA is a big country. Russia will not waste nukes bombing rural areas unless a military base is in a rural area. Russia might bomb Camp Grayling, but I live far enough away I would likely survive.
@Metal-Brain
You talk about nuclear war as if it would boil down to a couple of bombings. What do you think would happen if say NYC got nuked? Not sure what your game is here but a disaster like that would lead to HUNDREDS if not thousands of bombs launched.
And the radiation would not just go away in the breeze, ALL the breezes would be full of radiation besides the act ...[text shortened]... should be given whatever country he wants so he can rebuild the Soviet empire like you desire also.
If you don't want to be nuked simply stop poking the Russian bear. The Russian bear did nothing to you.
@metal-brain saidBeing stupid again huh, Russia has made it perfectly clear that it, along with its ally China intends to displace the US in Europe and the pacific.
NYC people would be screwed and it would be uninhabitable for a long time, but I don't live in the city. The USA is a big country. Russia will not waste nukes bombing rural areas unless a military base is in a rural area. Russia might bomb Camp Grayling, but I live far enough away I would likely survive.
If you don't want to be nuked simply stop poking the Russian bear. The Russian bear did nothing to you.
It even sent them letters telling the US to get back to West Berlin. The US can either stop them in Europe by arming Ukrainians or it can use its own forces to defend its interests in the pacific arena.
Mmm I wonder what they should do 🤔
@kevcvs57 saidI missed Russia's declaration of war against the US; could you provide a link?
Being stupid again huh, Russia has made it perfectly clear that it, along with its ally China intends to displace the US in Europe and the pacific.
It even sent them letters telling the US to get back to West Berlin. The US can either stop them in Europe by arming Ukrainians or it can use its own forces to defend its interests in the pacific arena.
Mmm I wonder what they should do 🤔
@kevcvs57 saidI suppose you also believe that if everyone walked around with a machine gun there'd be no gun crime.
It doesn’t work because the nuclear powers have no way of, or no will to police each other.
It has caused the world to be held in aspic, apart from China the same nuclear powers that dominated the globe in the 1950s still dominate the world today and it’s not because they’ve had the better of the ideas or the best business models.
The proof that the possession of nuclear ...[text shortened]... the United Nations or bilaterally disarm themselves completely but I cannot ever see that happening.
@no1marauder saidI never said that though did I?
I missed Russia's declaration of war against the US; could you provide a link?
You really should stop misrepresenting what people say. Just because you agree with MB on this subject doesn’t mean you have to employ his tactics.
You should get Putin to explain word for word what his endgame is that way you will not have to employ any analytical skills at all.
I’ll start you off with a clue, when Putin says NATO he is referring to the US.
@no1marauder saidNo and that’s is an unbelievably stupid analogy because your advocating that only proven criminals get to carry machine guns whilst everyone else should rely on their good nature.
I suppose you also believe that if everyone walked around with a machine gun there'd be no gun crime.
@no1marauder saidThey haven’t declared war against Ukraine either.
I missed Russia's declaration of war against the US; could you provide a link?
@kevcvs57 saidIt’s significant because it limits what Russia can do. They can’t call up the conscript hordes of infantry without a declaration so they’re sending in armored columns with infantry fighting vehicles that don’t have their dismounts making it easy for enemy infantry to ambush them.
Haha I wish I’d said that.
It also means Russia has large reserves of conscripts still available if they get desperate but don’t want to use nukes.
@kevcvs57 saidActually it's a perfectly apt analogy for your insane suggestion that if every nation armed itself with nuclear weapons we'd have a peaceful utopia.
No and that’s is an unbelievably stupid analogy because your advocating that only proven criminals get to carry machine guns whilst everyone else should rely on their good nature.
@athousandyoung saidTrue, but they are in a de facto state of war with the Ukraine. They are not with the United States.
They haven’t declared war against Ukraine either.
@kevcvs57 saidDiscussions with Putin would be an excellent idea and would have been an even better idea in December 2021 when Russia presented several proposed agreements.
I never said that though did I?
You really should stop misrepresenting what people say. Just because you agree with MB on this subject doesn’t mean you have to employ his tactics.
You should get Putin to explain word for word what his endgame is that way you will not have to employ any analytical skills at all.
I’ll start you off with a clue, when Putin says NATO he is referring to the US.
@athousandyoung saidThe Soviet Union was in Afghanistan to prop up a friendly puppet government, not to annex territory. Maybe there was a long-term plan to do so lying in the Kremlin somewhere, but I've never heard of it.
How is this different from Taliban vs USSR? Did Afghanistan surrender territory?
Analogous would be the US involvement in Vietnam.
As long as Putin remains in power the Ukraine can kiss goodbye about 1/5 of its territory to the east. Crimea is gone for the foreseeable future, if not forever -- and anyway it ended up a part of Ukraine almost by accident when Soviet planners transferred it from the Russian SSR to the Ukrainian SSR in the middle of the last century for internal administrative reasons.
Of course, Putin could be succeeded by someone as bad or worse. Usual Russian/Soviet strategy, though, is to remove the indigenous population over the course of years or decades to make a region thoroughly Russian. In the case of Kaliningrad Oblast it was done almost overnight after World War 2 ended.
Russia almost always plays the long game. It rarely starts a campaign well, but usually finishes it. Consider the Soviet invasion of Finland in 1939. The Finns held out valiantly all winter, but as the snow melted so too did their fortunes, and a chunk of their eastern territory ended up a permanent part of the Russian Federation. It was very much like what is happening now in eastern Ukraine.
Whether or not Ukraine would be better served trying to negotiate with Putin is beyond my ken. Putin is not particularly trustworthy, and if he reneges on his word there's little more the world could do about it beyond what it is already doing -- short of nuclear war. In the long run perhaps what will happen is that the eastern 1/5 of Ukraine goes to Russia and the rest joins NATO. That should secure peace for Ukraine for as far into the future as the vagaries of international politics allow.