@rajk999 saidThat article takes no position on that; I quoted it to clarify the status of Palestine under the Mandate, nothing more.
Is that article from the UN saying that the Palestinians have 100% right to form their country in the land of Palestine, and the Jews have none?
@no1marauder saidOk, back up a bit to WWI, the British Empire took over that area from the Ottomans. In 1917, it was proposed that part of Palestine be designated a homeland for the Jews. This was done in conjunction with the Zionist Jews.
That article takes no position on that; I quoted it to clarify the status of Palestine under the Mandate, nothing more.
Between 1917 and 1948, the Jews with the approval and help of the British set up their own separate infrastructure and utilities, such as roads, electricity, schools etc. The indigenous Palestinians wanted to have nothing to do with the Jews and attempted to disrupt any move to improve the environment. The British encouraged and assisted the Palestinians as well to set up their own facilities separate and apart from the Jews so that there would be minimal interaction.
Still up until 1948, there were countless skirmishes, petty fighting and even some major battles between the two parties.
The focus of the Jews was / is
- build societies
- bring in Jewish immigrants
- get financing to build a country
- educate and train their people
The focus of the Palestinians
- disrupt the expansion of the Jews
- petty acts of terrorism
The point is that the Palestinians are they own worst enemy. In their attempt to achieve self-determination, although they have on their side a unified and stable population, they failed to convince the world :
- that they can run and manage a country
- that they can live peacefully with neighbours
- that they have sufficient diplomatic savvy to interact with other heads of state.
It is their attitude and focus which is misdirected. So much so that even their own would rather have less to do with them. Nothing has changed in the last 100 years.
@rajk999 saidThat is such a one-sided account of the zionist period from 1917 to 1948, I think you are completely misguided on the issue.
Ok, back up a bit to WWI, the British Empire took over that area from the Ottomans. In 1917, it was proposed that part of Palestine be designated a homeland for the Jews. This was done in conjunction with the Zionist Jews.
Between 1917 and 1948, the Jews with the approval and help of the British set up their own separate infrastructure and utilities, such as roads, elect ...[text shortened]... even their own would rather have less to do with them. Nothing has changed in the last 100 years.
The zionists, Ben Gurion amongst them supported Jewish death squads during WW2, who went on rampages killing Palestinians and ethnically cleansing villages.
Like rolling barrels of burning oil down hillsides into the villages. Look up Irgun and the Stern gang to gaze upon their attrocities.
Not only against Palestinians, but fighting the British as well. And don’t forget to read up on them wanting to make deals with Nazi Germany and Italy’s fascist regime.
Seriously. Before you open your gob, you really should read up on your history.
@shavixmir saidI notice your little piece is very one-sided. If you did actually read the history, you would see that both sides engaged in terrorist tactics.
That is such a one-sided account of the zionist period from 1917 to 1948, I think you are completely misguided on the issue.
The zionists, Ben Gurion amongst them supported Jewish death squads during WW2, who went on rampages killing Palestinians and ethnically cleansing villages.
Like rolling barrels of burning oil down hillsides into the villages. Look up Irgun and th ...[text shortened]... s fascist regime.
Seriously. Before you open your gob, you really should read up on your history.
If you need to get abusive then have the decency and self control to say nothing.
@rajk999 saidYou’ve never even heard of the Stern gang.
I notice your little piece is very one-sided. If you did actually read the history, you would see that both sides engaged in terrorist tactics.
If you need to get abusive then have the decency and self control to say nothing.
You know nothing about Palestine, other than what your retarded right-wing media feed you.
The whole bloody business of the mandate is very well recorded. And it reads, essentially, as the ethnic cleansing of “the Arab population”.
By the Jews.
You think a group of people can only be victims?
Oh yes, there is terrorism on both sides during that time, but one side was very much the aggressor. Even targetting the Brits, who were also over in Europe fighting the bloody Nazis.
Seriously. You religious nutjobs do my head in.
@mott-the-hoople saidApparently it was the Israelis they did not want the PLA in control of The West Bank and Gaza. Some sort of radical new strategy called divide and conquer
who was it that elected hamas to be their leaders?
@metal-brain saidHey idiot the UN gave Israel statehood in the late 40s the British Empire did everything they could to prevent Israeli statehood. They even boarded boats and arrested Holocaust survivors on their way to Israel.
The League of Nations delegated it to the British Empire and the empire saw fit to give Jews land that did not belong to them because it belonged to the Palestinians. Is that accurate?
For christs sake read a history book
@kevcvs57 saidThat's incorrect; the UN General Assembly vote in favor of partition was not binding on the parties and was rejected by the Palestinians as it was clearly unfair.
Hey idiot the UN gave Israel statehood in the late 40s the British Empire did everything they could to prevent Israeli statehood. They even boarded boats and arrested Holocaust survivors on their way to Israel.
For christs sake read a history book
The British Empire simply declared the Mandate over and left leaving the fate of Palestine to be decided by force of arms.
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@rajk999 saidAs usual, your "analysis" is marred by your bigoted negative stereotyping. But far from merely waking up every day wondering how to most effectively hate Jews, the Palestinians in the Mandate managed significant economic growth though it could not match that of their Jewish neighbors (propped up by immigration and large infusions of foreign capital):
Ok, back up a bit to WWI, the British Empire took over that area from the Ottomans. In 1917, it was proposed that part of Palestine be designated a homeland for the Jews. This was done in conjunction with the Zionist Jews.
Between 1917 and 1948, the Jews with the approval and help of the British set up their own separate infrastructure and utilities, such as roads, elect ...[text shortened]... even their own would rather have less to do with them. Nothing has changed in the last 100 years.
"Between 1922 and 1947, the annual growth rate of the Jewish sector of the economy was 13.2%, mainly due to immigration and foreign capital, while that of the Arab was 6.5%. Per capita, these figures were 4.8% and 3.6% respectively. By 1936, the Jewish sector earned 2.6 times as much as Arabs.[5] Compared to Arab countries, the Palestinian Arab individuals earned slightly more.[6]
On the scale of the UN Human Development Index determined for around 1939, of 36 countries, Palestinian Jews were placed 15th, Palestinian Arabs 30th, Egypt 33rd and Turkey 35th.[7] The Jews in Palestine were mainly urban, 76.2% in 1942, while the Arabs were mainly rural, 68.3% in 1942.[8] Overall, Khalidi concludes that Palestinian Arab society, while overmatched by the Yishuv, was as advanced as any other Arab society in the region and considerably more than several.[9]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[WORD TOO LONG].5%25.
3.6% average annual per capita growth is an impressive achievement for a colonial, mostly rural population during a 25 year period which included a world wide economic depression. So there was a Palestinian infrastructure in place for the Zionists to steal after 80% of that population was driven out by war in 1948 and never allowed to return.
@rajk999 saidSelf-determination is a recognized right under international law; it is not contingent on "convincing" anyone of your worthiness for it.
Ok, back up a bit to WWI, the British Empire took over that area from the Ottomans. In 1917, it was proposed that part of Palestine be designated a homeland for the Jews. This was done in conjunction with the Zionist Jews.
Between 1917 and 1948, the Jews with the approval and help of the British set up their own separate infrastructure and utilities, such as roads, elect ...[text shortened]... even their own would rather have less to do with them. Nothing has changed in the last 100 years.
@kevcvs57 saidThe British Empire did limit immigration to Israel which is why certain Zionists became terrorists and fought the British and wanted to take sides with the Nazis. After that fell through they wanted to side with the Soviets, but that was the Lehi militant group, an offshoot from the Irgun terrorist group. Isn't it obvious that some Zionists are crazy extremists?
Hey idiot the UN gave Israel statehood in the late 40s the British Empire did everything they could to prevent Israeli statehood. They even boarded boats and arrested Holocaust survivors on their way to Israel.
For christs sake read a history book
You claim the British Empire did everything they could to prevent Israeli statehood. What is your source of information?
@metal-brain saidI think he is referring to the case of the Exodus, a ship load of Jews who escaped and tried to get to Palestine. The British sent them back to Germany. I think its a one time thing.
The British Empire did limit immigration to Israel which is why certain Zionists became terrorists and fought the British and wanted to take sides with the Nazis. After that fell through they wanted to side with the Soviets, but that was the Lehi militant group, an offshoot from the Irgun terrorist group. Isn't it obvious that some Zionists are crazy extremists?
You c ...[text shortened]... h Empire did everything they could to prevent Israeli statehood. What is your source of information?
@no1marauder saidThere are some principles of self-determination which must be adhered to if the UN is going to accept you as a bonafide member state. There are several groups that broke away from the main country and tried to form their own, but nobody really accepts them. So of course you can do it but you may be sidelined.
Self-determination is a recognized right under international law; it is not contingent on "convincing" anyone of your worthiness for it.